Tonight’s Officiating.....

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Ok. Next time Allen is hit at or below the knee lets see what the board does. 

Pretty sure they got the Chiefs for holding at least once - Orlando Brown.  

They called OPI on both sides.

The only call I can't at least somewhat defend is the hold on Morse. The flag came out late and Morse didn't do anything. Maybe it was on another guy and the replay only showed a sideline view not from behind the line. So maybe there was something we could not see. 

The DPI on White could have been a no call but White was making a lot of contact with Kelce when they fell. They almost never call the ball uncatchable. 

No they didn't.  Only penalty called on KC defense was roughing the passer.  If there was a pi, it was declined.  Tell me when?

[Eastport bills]

Colin Cowherd said that the officiating in our game was the worst performance in years and the team should be suspended. The amount of bad holding and personal fouls called should have decided the game if not for our dominance.

[Adam727]

17 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Colin Cowherd said that the officiating in our game was the worst performance in years and the team should be suspended. The amount of bad holding and personal fouls called should have decided the game if not for our dominance.

I've had a day to get over it and am still upset about the officiating last night.  Refs have a tough job in real time so I always try to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I usually roll my eyes when I see someone say the NFL is the WWE... but that's really how it felt last night.  I can't think of a game I've ever watched where the officiating felt this one sided.  If the game had been a close one (within 7 points) the refs would have almost certainly decided the outcome.  It wasn't just bad calls, it was completely inconsistent calls that always seemed to happen at the worst possible times for Buffalo.. over and over again all night.  That holding call on Morse.. I still don't understand what someone thinks they might have seen.  KC seemed like they got most of the breaks from the refs when we played them in the AFCCG last year too.  This Bills team feels like they can beat anyone, I would hate to see them lose a close game in the playoffs to the refs..  

 

Is there anything to actually do about this?  Can one of the reporters that reads this board ask McD about it in a press conference?  Can the Bills file a complaint?  Would that do anything?

 

Or just move on and focus on next week's game against the Titans?

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Adam727

[Eastport bills]

19 minutes ago, Adam727 said:

I've had a day to get over it and am still upset about the officiating last night.  Refs have a tough job in real time so I always try to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I usually roll my eyes when I see someone say the NFL is the WWE... but that's really how it felt last night.  I can't think of a game I've ever watched where the officiating felt this one sided.  If the game had been a close one (within 7 points) the refs would have almost certainly decided the outcome.  It wasn't just bad calls, it was completely inconsistent calls that always seemed to happen at the worst possible times for Buffalo.. over and over again all night.  That holding call on Morse.. I still don't understand what someone thinks they might have seen.  KC seemed like they got most of the breaks from the refs when we played them in the AFCCG last year too.  This Bills team feels like they can beat anyone, I would hate to see them lose a close game in the playoffs to the refs..  

 

Is there anything to actually do about this?  Can one of the reporters that reads this board ask McD about it in a press conference?  Can the Bills file a complaint?  Would that do anything?

 

Or just move on and focus on next week's game against the Titans?

 

 

I tell my kid don't dwell on the officiating because it usually evens out but he gets so exasperated it affects his enjoyment of our great performances. The Bills, to their credit, just overcome every obstacle from weather delays to one-sided, hometown attempts to steal games by poor officiating. I think this team gets confidence by winning in hostile conditions. 

[eball]

I’m still trying to figure out who Dawkins held on that running play after we recovered the muffed kickoff.

[TC in St. Louis]

My friend texted me earlier in the game and asked how are we going to win this game with this horrible officiating?   I said work hard, playing. That’s all you can do. That’s what they did, and the right team won the game.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No they didn't.  Only penalty called on KC defense was roughing the passer.  If there was a pi, it was declined.  Tell me when?

OPI. Called against Gordon.  

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Saw that and was confused because I thought the penalty had been on them, I mean how the ***** does that work.

The hold was by a WR downfield.  They mark off the yards from the point of the foul.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Sorry dude but in NO WAY did Oliver impact in a dangerous way at all.....Did.  Not.  Happen.

It did happen.  You can argue was it forcible or not but it happened. 

 

Here is the rule:

 

A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him.

 

I think a no-call would have been very appropriate but the refs are trained to protect the QB.  Let's hope Allen is never hit low, but if he is let's hope he gets the benefit of the call too.  

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The hold was by a WR downfield.  They mark off the yards from the point of the foul.

There has to be a situational clause there or something otherwise how is that even a penalty?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, eball said:

I’m still trying to figure out who Dawkins held on that running play after we recovered the muffed kickoff.

I believe they said it was Frank Clark but not sure

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

There has to be a situational clause there or something otherwise how is that even a penalty?

No it's just the rule. 

 

Offensive holding beyond the line of scrimmage is penalized from the spot of the foul.  So a hold 15 yards downfield is penalized 10 yards making it 1st and 5

 

I believe it always has been that way but I could be wrong about that.

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I believe they said it was Frank Clark but not sure

No it's just the rule. 

 

Offensive holding beyond the line of scrimmage is penalized from the spot of the foul.  So a hold 15 yards downfield is penalized 10 yards making it 1st and 5

 

I believe it always has been that way but I could be wrong about that.

I mean that's dumb but besides that if you're going to do it that way how the hell do you replay the down? There's like no reason not to do it.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean that's dumb but besides that if you're going to do it that way how the hell do you replay the down? There's like no reason not to do it.

Every accepted penalty results in a replayed down  - except intentional grounding and unsportsmanlike conduct after the whistle.

[Búfalo Blanco]

I think us Bills fans have a complex, and rightly so, watching so many games of obvious bias against the Patriots and Brady. No one will ever convince me there wasn’t more to those matchups. My theory (JMO) is that sometimes the League is trying to create parity, more viewership, etc. by keeping the games close. Then, there’s also the Vegas spread theory. But more often, it’s just poor officiating. True, Buffalo was playing KC’s “holding” game against them this time as well. The Patriots have pulled that stuff for years and gotten away with it. The difference for Buffalo in these horribly officiated games now? We finally have a QB who can overcome the ridiculous penalties. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Every accepted penalty results in a replayed down  - except intentional grounding and unsportsmanlike conduct after the whistle.

If it's only a 10 yard penalty enforced then what's the incentive not to 10 yards or out?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

If it's only a 10 yard penalty enforced then what's the incentive not to 10 yards or out?

Well first you need to have a successful play that nets more than 10 yards and the block would have to be at least ten yards downfield. Think how often that actually happens.  Pretty rare.  Most blocks are within a few feet or behind the LOS.  And let's say you score a TD because of an illegal hold 20 yards from the LOS.  The score is wiped out.  

[Billsfan1972]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

OPI. Called against Gordon.  

The hold was by a WR downfield.  They mark off the yards from the point of the foul.  

Gordon plays Offense, not Defense.  The Chiefs Defense was called for one penalty all game.  

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Every accepted penalty results in a replayed down  - except intentional grounding and unsportsmanlike conduct after the whistle.

Illegal pass beyond the line of scrimmage too. 

[Buffalo Boy]

   Sitting here rewatching part of second half before work.

   A few plays earlier, Diggs are getting hooked on a 3/10 play and they don’t flag it. 
   White is actually getting pulled by Kelcie who’s right hand is around and behind Whites shoulder. But, on the two replays the ball isn’t even visible because it is that high and that far out of bounds( and the camera shot).

HTF are any of these jokers refs????? 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Now the world is complaining about the officiating because KC lost. 

[BFLO]

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/roughing-the-passer/

https://twitter.com/MarkEnnis/status/1447408923615576068?s=20

Roughing the Mahomes was called on #91 Ed Oliver. Despite the words coming out of Collinsworth's useless mouth the hit was neither late or illegal for "below or at the knees" 

1. The hit was not late as defined by the rule. Oliver had launched himself while Mahomes still had the ball and makes contact without taking any steps after the ball was released. "The Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher’s first step after such release"

2. The hit area was not illegal, Mahomes was in the air with neither foot on the ground, and Oliver was being "blocked/fouled" into a lower point of attack by the O-line(Oliver was held by the chiefs o-lineman and sort of tackled from behind). "A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him". 

#50 Rousseau also hit Mahomes on this play, and was technically late as he takes 2 steps. He was also blocked/fouled from behind by the chiefs o-line. Roussea basically just loosely wrapped up Mahomes's legs from behind and bumps his head into Mahomes butt. Not much force or violence too it

This was called holding 1 play before the roughing on Allen.  
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1447416098446401537?s=20

https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1447417193654734850?s=20

There was an egregious missed holding call favoring the Bills on this play before the roughing takes place, can't find a clip of it. Guess the refs decided to let it go after the phantom holding on the previous play?
 
1. The hit was late. Clark takes one step after Allen released the pass and makes contact with Allen(legal). He then takes a 2nd step to start to drive Allen into the ground(Late, illegal). 

2. Clark illegally drove Allen into the ground and also landed on top of him with his bodyweight "When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight."

3. #97 also dog piles onto Allen's legs 2-3 steps after Allen had released the pass. Not much force involved, but way late and unnecessary.