Gamepass and Coaches' Film - is this a downgrade or am I missing something?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Yea!  Gamepass now has the All-22 again.

 

But..... used to be that it would bring up a list of time, down and distance on the R side of the screen, and you could select the play you wanted to watch.  Then it would show the sideline view and the endzone view, one after the other.

 

Now it seems like you have to pick either sideline OR endzone at the beginning, there is no way to toggle between the two during the game, and you can't go to a specific play, either.

 

Is this just how it is now, or am I missing something?  Because from where I sit now, significant features have been lost (unless I'm just missing them)

 

It's become ponderous and difficult to do things that used to be simple and straightforward 😠. 

 

Help?

 

Edit:  OK, I've figured a few things out.

 

If I watch full-screen, there is no way to toggle.  If I watch in a tiny postage-stamp area of a screen cluttered with NFL blurf, I can toggle between sideline, endzone, and broadcast but, I can't figure out a good way to neatly go back and watch the same play from a different angle.

 

(Not to mention that the postage stamp is damned hard to see any detail)

 

Have not found a feature that allows one to list and choose plays.

[Draconator]

[Mango]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Yea!  Gamepass now has the All-22 again.

 

But..... used to be that it would bring up a list of time, down and distance on the R side of the screen, and you could select the play you wanted to watch.  Then it would show the sideline view and the endzone view, one after the other.

 

Now it seems like you have to pick either sideline OR endzone at the beginning, there is no way to toggle between the two during the game, and you can't go to a specific play, either.

 

Is this just how it is now, or am I missing something?  Because from where I sit now, significant features have been lost (unless I'm just missing them)

 

It's become ponderous and difficult to do things that used to be simple and straightforward 😠. 

 

Help?

 

Edit:  OK, I've figured a few things out.

 

If I watch full-screen, there is no way to toggle.  If I watch in a tiny postage-stamp area of a screen cluttered with NFL blurf, I can toggle between sideline, endzone, and broadcast but, I can't figure out a good way to neatly go back and watch the same play from a different angle.

 

(Not to mention that the postage stamp is damned hard to see any detail)

 

Have not found a feature that allows one to list and choose plays.

Do you have two monitors? Can you maybe just open one in each? 
 

Sounds like a downgrade but that might be a solution. 

[NickelCity]

Gamepass this year seems like they got cajoled into some "redesign" by a subpar agency who really, really ***** the bed. It's obvious zero research went into it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Gamepass this year seems like they got cajoled into some "redesign" by a subpar agency who really, really ***** the bed. It's obvious zero research went into it.

 

In other words, you can't find any of those features either and it sucks for you too?

 

I wonder if I could tell them I've moved to Stuttgart and switch to the international version, if it's still good.  With VPN, I could be anywhere.

 

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

Do you have two monitors? Can you maybe just open one in each? 
 

Sounds like a downgrade but that might be a solution. 

 

Thanks for the thought

 

I do not have two monitors, although I have a very very WIDE one that can support two reasonable-size windows.  But that still leaves the problem of how to choose specific plays.

[NickelCity]

32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

In other words, you can't find any of those features either and it sucks for you too?

 

Yes, those features have been missing for me as well.

 

I suppose my point was that the entire app/web ecosystems seems *****. 

[Kwai San]

Money.  Money talks and they want YOU you pay at some point to be able to do what you did before!!!  GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!  DAMMIT!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

Money.  Money talks and they want YOU you pay at some point to be able to do what you did before!!!  GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!  DAMMIT!!!

 

Maybe, but I think NickelCity has it more right.  They wanted to integrate GamePass more fully into the NFL.com website, so using Gamepass would be generating clicks for the NFL.com Shopping and Advertisements and all the other schtuff on that website.  And they just did a poor job.

 

I paid for what I did before.  A healthy sum, IMO.

 

I'm hella busy right now, but I expect in the next week or two when I have time I'll try to talk to a human and express my concerns about the downgrade and see what their plans are and what they'll do for me. (give me an International subscription, give me a refund, whateve).  If the answer is "nothing" I may dispute the charge with my credit card company on the basis of not receiving the product I expected when I allowed it to renew.

 

I think someone mentioned all-22 being available from a different source - Youtube or something?  Anyone know about that?

[WIDE LEFT]

Game Pass gets worse every year. The full game replays now include the commercials & half time show. I am required to sign into the game pass section of the NFL app via a code number EVERY single time I access game pass

[unbillievable]

9 hours ago, NickelCity said:

Gamepass this year seems like they got cajoled into some "redesign" by a subpar agency who really, really ***** the bed. It's obvious zero research went into it.

 

8 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Money.  Money talks and they want YOU you pay at some point to be able to do what you did before!!!  GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!  DAMMIT!!!

 

4 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

Game Pass gets worse every year. The full game replays now include the commercials & half time show. I am required to sign into the game pass section of the NFL app via a code number EVERY single time I access game pass

 

Sounds like Madden! 🤣

[Andrew Son]

27 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

Game Pass gets worse every year. The full game replays now include the commercials & half time show. I am required to sign into the game pass section of the NFL app via a code number EVERY single time I access game pass

Yeah, that sucks.  Sometimes I would like to watch the full game replay to get a better feel for the game, but not anymore.  Strictly the condensed games now.

I can't complain too much as I get it free with my season tickets.  But if I paid for it I would be pissed.

[FLFan]

For all the reasons mentioned thus far, GamePass is considerably worse.  There have been so many downgrades I am not inclined to believe it was accidental.  I am going to try to lodge a complaint for all the good it will do.  The inclusion of all the commercials and halftime in the full game replay is particularly annoying and was no doubt intentional to assuage the tv networks.  The All 22 is no virtually unusable and I suspect this is to reserve full access to this capability for media outlets willing to pay for it.  

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said:

Game Pass gets worse every year. The full game replays now include the commercials & half time show. I am required to sign into the game pass section of the NFL app via a code number EVERY single time I access game pass

 

 

Well sad to know it is not only me - additionally I have to authenticate the same device every week (generally watch through Apple TV with projection) 

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Yea!  Gamepass now has the All-22 again.

 

But..... used to be that it would bring up a list of time, down and distance on the R side of the screen, and you could select the play you wanted to watch.  Then it would show the sideline view and the endzone view, one after the other.

 

Now it seems like you have to pick either sideline OR endzone at the beginning, there is no way to toggle between the two during the game, and you can't go to a specific play, either.

 

Is this just how it is now, or am I missing something?  Because from where I sit now, significant features have been lost (unless I'm just missing them)

 

It's become ponderous and difficult to do things that used to be simple and straightforward 😠. 

 

Help?

 

Edit:  OK, I've figured a few things out.

 

If I watch full-screen, there is no way to toggle.  If I watch in a tiny postage-stamp area of a screen cluttered with NFL blurf, I can toggle between sideline, endzone, and broadcast but, I can't figure out a good way to neatly go back and watch the same play from a different angle.

 

(Not to mention that the postage stamp is damned hard to see any detail)

 

Have not found a feature that allows one to list and choose plays.

 

 

 

It's not an issue in International Game Pass. Same as last year. There's an icon at the bottom left that when clicked allows me to see the list of plays and play whichever one I want. And I get both views of every play automatically.

 

Good luck to you folks.

[34-78-83]

Is the All 22 just available on PC? Because I am a game pass member and use the tv app and don’t see that option for coaches film.

[flaz]

I've been struggling through the same issues already discussed. This the second thread on this subject from @Hapless Bills Fan and I recall a question about  cancelation or refund. I'm not very internet savvy but if there is a way of getting out this, I'd be happy to know. 

 

I feel they should have given some sort of notice, of the downgrade, before their annual automatic debit from my credit card.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, flaz said:

I've been struggling through the same issues already discussed. This the second thread on this subject from @Hapless Bills Fan and I recall a question about  cancelation or refund. I'm not very internet savvy but if there is a way of getting out this, I'd be happy to know. 

 

I feel they should have given some sort of notice, of the downgrade, before their annual automatic debit from my credit card.

 

That's exactly where I am.

 

I'm currently way overloaded and paddling to keep my nose above water, but in the next weeks when I have more time, I want to try to talk to someone there or find a contact address to complain, and I'll share what I learn.

[WIDE LEFT]

Now the latest - I tried to use Game  Pass to get radio broadcast of a game. Got it, but it’s in Spanish! With no instruction or directions on how to fix it

[JoPoy88]

https://defector.com/why-does-nfl-game-pass-barely-function-now/

 

relevant to your discussion but defector has a paywall. For those who subscribe however the author goes into the multitude of ways the NFL has borked game pass.

 

Note one workaround discussed in the article: A few media people interviewed for the story have said using a VPN to access the international version of gamepass helps a lot. Apparently the int’l version is much closer to the old US version.

[HurlyBurly51]

6 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

Is the All 22 just available on PC? Because I am a game pass member and use the tv app and don’t see that option for coaches film.

I believe that is correct.  Been looking for All22 through the app on Apple TV and it’s nowhere to be found.

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's exactly where I am.

 

I'm currently way overloaded and paddling to keep my nose above water, but in the next weeks when I have more time, I want to try to talk to someone there or find a contact address to complain, and I'll share what I learn.

Good luck!  I tried reaching them and I had to submit a ticket, and when they finally respond via email they tell you you reached international and give you a link to submit another request.  Well you fill that out and eventually get the same response.  You get caught in that loop ad nauseum.  There is no way I found to contact support via phone.