NewEra Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Right now they don’t even have those decisions to make - they don’t have a single young player on offense besides Josh whom they’d need to worry about signing. Sad but true. We don’t have to worry about signing Beasley and Sanders, but they must be replaced, possibly after this season. Preferably replaced with players that are better or just as good. 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I feel like at some point the drafting is going to need to shift towards the offense They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else? Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else? Receiver. 1 1 Quote
f0neguy Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 They do need to draft a speed guy but they did get Davis and Hodgins recently. So I don’t feel Beane has ignored it, it just wasn’t his top priority at the time. While not “young”, Diggs was their first rounder last year 👍. 1 Quote
Dopey Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 22 hours ago, Joe Mama said: I always wanted to get my Johnson extended Now we need you to stick it to those wide receivers and those tight ends. You must be in heaven right now. Quote
Blank Stare Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, f0neguy said: They do need to draft a speed guy They drafted Marquez Stephenson this year who is fast and his nickname is actually “Speedy”. He looked good in preseason and I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do when given the opportunity. 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else? They've used some draft picks on offense but you listed a bust second rounder and 3 third rounders and a 4th. Since 2018 they've drafted a MLB and a DT in round 1.........not big dollar positions..........but no offensive skill players. It's not yet gotten absurd like what has gone on in Green Bay..........but it's concerning because it's the easy way to remain "competitive" drafting defenders when you have a dynamic QB who can elevate the performance of those around him. But it's also proven to be a good way to come up short over and over and diminish the career of a great QB. It is fair to say that the tops of the Bills drafts have been defense-centric. Even if you count Diggs as a #1 that's 4 of 6 #1's on defense. And the only player in their back 7 on defense that isn't on a multi-year deal averaging $8M per year now is Edmunds and his cap figure for next year is around $12M. They also had the highest amount of cap dedicated to the DL in the league last year. They have thrown a disproportionate amount of their assets at the defensive side of the ball..........which is a questionable decision in a league where defensive success has proven difficult to sustain from year to year and the rules are set up to promote offense. If you go back and look at the 13 defensive #1's that GB has taken in the past 16 years it doesn't scream "success". Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They've used some draft picks on offense but you listed a bust second rounder and 3 third rounders and a 4th. Since 2018 they've drafted a MLB and a DT in round 1.........not big dollar positions..........but no offensive skill players. It's not yet gotten absurd like what has gone on in Green Bay..........but it's concerning because it's the easy way to remain "competitive" drafting defenders when you have a dynamic QB who can elevate the performance of those around him. But it's also proven to be a good way to come up short over and over and diminish the career of a great QB. It is fair to say that the tops of the Bills drafts have been defense-centric. Even if you count Diggs as a #1 that's 4 of 6 #1's on defense. And the only player in their back 7 on defense that isn't on a multi-year deal averaging $8M per year now is Edmunds and his cap figure for next year is around $12M. They also had the highest amount of cap dedicated to the DL in the league last year. They have thrown a disproportionate amount of their assets at the defensive side of the ball..........which is a questionable decision in a league where defensive success has proven difficult to sustain from year to year and the rules are set up to promote offense. If you go back and look at the 13 defensive #1's that GB has taken in the past 16 years it doesn't scream "success". Well except you are forgetting the fact they already have a LT and a Center on big contracts. Using a #1 for a WR counts. And just because Ford is a bust doesn't mean they didn't try. Hey I would have drafted Dobbins over Epenesa when they had the chance. Next draft they will be picking hopefully last in the first round. They should trade down and get an extra pick. They need to get an interior linemen and another CB with some size. The young backup safeties have looked good enough and Hyde/Poyer have not slowed down. The only other two positions they need to address are TE# 2 and 1tech NT. Quote
NewEra Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Receiver. Yup- and CB 1 Quote
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else? Talking about using our hire pics which tend to go towards defensive players Quote
GreggTX Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 He may never get to a probowl, but he does make a great play now and again. Good signing. Quote
3rdand12 Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 I approve of this message. Taron is one of my favorites you see his number in on so many plays. Has improved his game each season. We talk about Poyer and Hyde as a great tandem But this kid belongs in the conversation when talking about how effective this Defense has been already this year. Love it ! Go Bills Quote
billsfan89 Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: He may never get to a probowl, but he does make a great play now and again. Good signing. He is a very unsung hero type of player on this defense. 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Well except you are forgetting the fact they already have a LT and a Center on big contracts. Using a #1 for a WR counts. And just because Ford is a bust doesn't mean they didn't try. Hey I would have drafted Dobbins over Epenesa when they had the chance. Next draft they will be picking hopefully last in the first round. They should trade down and get an extra pick. They need to get an interior linemen and another CB with some size. The young backup safeties have looked good enough and Hyde/Poyer have not slowed down. The only other two positions they need to address are TE# 2 and 1tech NT. When I am talking about addressing the offense early.........I mean difference makers.........not runnin' bax. I don't disagree with you about the trade down idea......it depends on who is there where they pick but they do need to re-stock positions to help them deal with having so many highly paid players on the roster. Foremost among them.........they need some young WR talent. It's very possible only Diggs and Gabe Davis return to the Bills WR unit next season. And though Davis had a very good rookie season as the 3rd-4th option......... he's not a premium athlete at the position.........he will likely need matchups against lesser coverage players. Their WR corps does not have a 1B option..........it's Diggs and some 2's and 3's........and with the influx of WR talent into the league the past 2 seasons, that's not the case everywhere around the league.......there are a number of teams who go 2-3 deep at WR who can be relied on to physically challenge an opponents #1 CB. 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: When I am talking about addressing the offense early.........I mean difference makers.........not runnin' bax. I don't disagree with you about the trade down idea......it depends on who is there where they pick but they do need to re-stock positions to help them deal with having so many highly paid players on the roster. Foremost among them.........they need some young WR talent. It's very possible only Diggs and Gabe Davis return to the Bills WR unit next season. And though Davis had a very good rookie season as the 3rd-4th option......... he's not a premium athlete at the position.........he will likely need matchups against lesser coverage players. Their WR corps does not have a 1B option..........it's Diggs and some 2's and 3's........and with the influx of WR talent into the league the past 2 seasons, that's not the case everywhere around the league.......there are a number of teams who go 2-3 deep at WR who can be relied on to physically challenge an opponents #1 CB. I got nothing against them picking WR's early but they have found good productive players in Free Agency on middling money and the Bills are going to prove to be attractive for veteran talent doing some ring chasing... But hey.. if you can get a Rondale Moore in the second as well then all good.. Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: When I am talking about addressing the offense early.........I mean difference makers.........not runnin' bax. I don't disagree with you about the trade down idea......it depends on who is there where they pick but they do need to re-stock positions to help them deal with having so many highly paid players on the roster. Foremost among them.........they need some young WR talent. It's very possible only Diggs and Gabe Davis return to the Bills WR unit next season. And though Davis had a very good rookie season as the 3rd-4th option......... he's not a premium athlete at the position.........he will likely need matchups against lesser coverage players. Their WR corps does not have a 1B option..........it's Diggs and some 2's and 3's........and with the influx of WR talent into the league the past 2 seasons, that's not the case everywhere around the league.......there are a number of teams who go 2-3 deep at WR who can be relied on to physically challenge an opponents #1 CB. Agree and very well said. Quote
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 7 hours ago, NewEra said: We don’t have to worry about signing Beasley and Sanders, but they must be replaced, possibly after this season. Preferably replaced with players that are better or just as good. Would like to see extensions for both of them Quote
3rdand12 Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Would like to see extensions for both of them Lets revisit this at the end of a long Season John But for now ? I remains very positive about all our Receivers even Cole lol C'mon Gabe Davis. do what you do tonight. 1 Quote
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It is a point on the defense and it does just give me pause on what they are planning with Edmunds. I still lean towards they will extend him but let's say they do and the let Hughes and Addison walk. That is still: Lotulelei, Milano, Edmunds, Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and White that you are "paying" on your defense. That is a lot. The cap is very malleable though and so long as the Pegulas are willing to pony up the cash up front the Bills can somewhat kick the can cap wise, especially with TV numbers soaring, crowds back in stadiums and the promise of a major cap bounce back in the next two years. I agree they need to invest in some more youth on offense though. Another playmaker on that side of the ball should be a priority next April, even if Dawson Knox continues his emergence at tight end. Would love a speed WR and an IOL on Day 1/2! 1 Quote
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