[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[klos63]

I think what matters most is how he deals with this inside the locker room.  Terrible comment 11 years ago is still terrible today, but he needs to maintain the support of his team, then he'll be fine.

Meyer is a joke to his team based on how he handled last weeks incident. He'll likely be out of a job soon. There's a difference in how you handle difficult situations.

[LeGOATski]

Sick burn 

[sullim4]

This is ridiculous.

 

If we were all held to a standard such that anything we said privately, even 10, 20, 30 years ago, could be held against us, every single one of us would lose our jobs and our reputations.  One thing I am sure of is that everyone at some point in their lives has said something they would not want aired publicly.

 

I'm so sick and tired of people that throw stones while living in glass houses.  The guy said something wrong in private, he has now apologized, and said he had no ill intent.  There is no pattern here with Gruden, as far as I'm aware.  It should be left at that unless he's proven to have a pattern of behavior here.  Social media and the outrage mob of Facebook that jump on every little thing have ruined both privacy and society as a whole in so many different ways.

[vincec]

6 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

This is ridiculous.

 

If we were all held to a standard such that anything we said privately, even 10, 20, 30 years ago, could be held against us, every single one of us would lose our jobs and our reputations.  One thing I am sure of is that everyone at some point in their lives has said something they would not want aired publicly.

 

I'm so sick and tired of people that throw stones while living in glass houses.  The guy said something wrong in private, he has now apologized, and said he had no ill intent.  There is no pattern here with Gruden, as far as I'm aware.  It should be left at that unless he's proven to have a pattern of behavior here.  Social media and the outrage mob of Facebook that jump on every little thing have ruined both privacy and society as a whole in so many different ways.

Completely agree. People are not just the worst things that they do.

Edited October 9, 2021 by vincec

[Warcodered]

Just now, vincec said:

Completely agree. People are not just the worst things that they do.

Nobody is just one thing but we absolutely are the things that we do.

[klos63]

7 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

This is ridiculous.

 

If we were all held to a standard such that anything we said privately, even 10, 20, 30 years ago, could be held against us, every single one of us would lose our jobs and our reputations.  One thing I am sure of is that everyone at some point in their lives has said something they would not want aired publicly.

 

I'm so sick and tired of people that throw stones while living in glass houses.  The guy said something wrong in private, he has now apologized, and said he had no ill intent.  There is no pattern here with Gruden, as far as I'm aware.  It should be left at that unless he's proven to have a pattern of behavior here.  Social media and the outrage mob of Facebook that jump on every little thing have ruined both privacy and society as a whole in so many different ways.

I'm just reading some comments here, is there really a outrage mob out there?  Most comments here seem pretty measured. You're the one with the outrage.

2 minutes ago, vincec said:

Completely agree. People are not just the worst things that they do.

OJ says hi!

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

If the happening just came to light and would potentially damage the reputation of the organization they most certainly could.

 

No chance.  They can fire him, but they have to pay him.  If they didn't do their due diligence, that's on Davis. 

[delirious]

Holding someone accountable for their actions isn't outrage.

 

I want to wait and see what more comes up. Mark Davis indicated the Raiders received more material. John Gruden hasn't had a past, that we know of.

 

1. Complaining about someone in an email (in writing) is dumb.

2. (Assuming for now his statement wasn't racially motivated) lacking the self-awareness of the parallels of his statement could mean is also dumb

 

P.S. but I do think this world could use a lot more forgiveness

Edited October 9, 2021 by delirious

[AuntieEm]

56 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He didn't say they were like tires he said they were the size of tires.

 

And I've still yet to see anyone who's ever heard of an idiom for rubber and liars.

   

       I've never heard the expression either but doesn't mean he's lying because I've never heard it.  So I cannot say he's got rubbery lips himself.  Heck I would just come out and say I felt he was lying in plain English.  I personally feel racism is more common among less intelligent people and so while his choice of idioms can be construed several ways someone that was truly racist  wouldn't be able to consistently hide it being they'd in my opinion be already hampered by a lower intelligence and incapable of fooling everybody as long as his entire career.  In which he's dealing with numerous players who would be the target of his racist views.  Not sure I know of many racists that would work side by side with as many black players as he's worked with and there's only one email that can be misconstrued to fitting into a racist agenda.  I can think of plenty of different racist-toned slang he could have used if that was his intent.   Plus he'd have had numerous opportunities to have let some inappropriate remarks escape in the ups and downs of emotions in a highly contested football game.  There would have been backlash even before this current 'woke'  culture because being 'woke' isn't anything new there are many instances in history where you can witness awareness of injustices getting a voice.  

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2021 by AuntieEm
Format and grammar corrections

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

He's full of *****. He didn't say his lips were rubbery he said they were the size of tires, but nice try though.

Yeah, nice try Gruden. 

You know, I'm usually willing to give a guy the benefit of the doubt. When I saw the headline "Gruden Racist Text" I was expecting something ambiguous because, well, usually it isn't this obvious. Usually.  

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

21 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

   

       I've never heard the expression either but doesn't mean he's lying because I've never heard it.  So I cannot say he's got rubbery lips himself.  Heck I would just come out and say I felt he was lying in plain English.  I personally feel racism is more common among less intelligent people and so while his choice of idioms can be construed several ways someone that was truly racist  wouldn't be able to consistently hide it being they'd in my opinion be already hampered by a lower intelligence and incapable of fooling everybody as long as his entire career.  In which he's dealing with numerous players who would be the target of his racist views.  Not sure I know of many racists that would work side by side with as many black players as he's worked with and there's only one email that can be misconstrued to fitting into a racist agenda.  I can think of plenty of different racist-toned slang he could have used if that was his intent.   Plus he'd have had numerous opportunities to have let some inappropriate remarks escape in the ups and downs of emotions in a highly contested football game.  There would have been backlash even before this current 'woke'  culture because being 'woke' isn't anything new there are many instances in history where you can witness awareness of injustices getting a voice.  

 

 

 

Right sure the fact that I can't find anything on that idiom doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does make it suspicious as hell though. Beyond that though he still didn't say the guys lips were rubbery or like tires he said they were the size of tires. So even if it somehow was an idiom he didn't use it right.

 

So what are we supposed to believe that he accidentally screwed up an idiom that no one seems to of heard of in a specific way that looks clearly racist?

 

Really?

Edited October 9, 2021 by Warcodered

[AuntieEm]

46 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I think what matters most is how he deals with this inside the locker room.  Terrible comment 11 years ago is still terrible today, but he needs to maintain the support of his team, then he'll be fine.

Meyer is a joke to his team based on how he handled last weeks incident. He'll likely be out of a job soon. There's a difference in how you handle difficult situations.

 

     Indeed, plus players who he's been coaching are gonna know firsthand how he conducts himself with perhaps some rookies or newly signed free agents as the only ones that might pause and watch how he reacts to the email  surfacing.  Players that know him will hold opinions based on their own interactions with Gruden. 

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, delirious said:

 

This is the only thing I could find about rubber and lips (which isn't associated with lying)

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rubberlip&defid=2400557

 

 

Well mangling the truth could be used to describe a lie.  After all a lie is by definition a distortion of the truth so that definition fits  at least for those of us that have an extensive vocabulary and the ability to use it without needing to look it up for proof its a valid definition.

[flaz]

3 hours ago, eball said:

Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old?

 Is this your best @Gugny impersonation? 

 

Edited October 9, 2021 by flaz

[flaz]

9 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

Well mangling the truth could be used to describe a lie.  After all a lie is by definition a distortion of the truth so that definition fits  at least for those of us that have an extensive vocabulary and the ability to use it without needing to look it up for proof its a valid definition.

Perfectly punctuated 

[billsfanmiamioh]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They can't nullify his contract for conduct that happened years before he signed it.  

You have the language of his contract? 

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

No chance.  They can fire him, but they have to pay him.  If they didn't do their due diligence, that's on Davis. 

 

[flaz]

Davis is the moron  of nfl owners. How that fan base continues to grow is beyond me

[flaz]

1 hour ago, AuntieEm said:

   

       I've never heard the expression either but doesn't mean he's lying because I've never heard it.  So I cannot say he's got rubbery lips himself.  Heck I would just come out and say I felt he was lying in plain English.  I personally feel racism is more common among less intelligent people and so while his choice of idioms can be construed several ways someone that was truly racist  wouldn't be able to consistently hide it being they'd in my opinion be already hampered by a lower intelligence and incapable of fooling everybody as long as his entire career.  In which he's dealing with numerous players who would be the target of his racist views.  Not sure I know of many racists that would work side by side with as many black players as he's worked with and there's only one email that can be misconstrued to fitting into a racist agenda.  I can think of plenty of different racist-toned slang he could have used if that was his intent.   Plus he'd have had numerous opportunities to have let some inappropriate remarks escape in the ups and downs of emotions in a highly contested football game.  There would have been backlash even before this current 'woke'  culture because being 'woke' isn't anything new there are many instances in history where you can witness awareness of injustices getting a voice.  

 

 

 

Um, ok I guess. Huh?

[AuntieEm]

14 minutes ago, flaz said:

Perfectly punctuated 

 

      Actually I'm pretty sure I mess up alot on my punctuation more my limited ability to navigate the keyboard on my phone.  I try editing but I usually just say the dogs blood cholera to it.  Google that you'll get  it.  If your Polish you already got it probably.

 

   I worry more about the content of my posts than perfect punctuation. 

[Governor]

Gruden has always been garbage and the players hate the guy. I don’t know why people continue to put him on a pedestal all of these years. He was fired for a reason and no team wanted to hire him for 10 years.

 

He wasn’t taking a break from coaching. He wasn’t offered another job until the Raiders.

 

Ask Phil and Chris Sims what they think of Gruden. 
 

He’s also a terrible talent evaluator. He ran some of the worst drafts in history. 

Edited October 9, 2021 by Governor