[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

How long before organizations, prior to entering into these types of multimillion dollar contracts with individuals, demand access to their private email and social media history? 

Well, I don’t know where you work, but today’s HS kids are being counseled about their social media and how it can linger forever and influence future opportunities.  
 

Im told some companies request access to social media as part of hiring

[machine gun kelly]

Hap, they don’t just request, they do it.  It’s part of the hiring culture to check social media.  It’s been done in my industry for years.  I had a buddy who was a fellow manager bring this up to me to check their Facebook a decade ago.  I didn’t, but this isn’t new.  Colleges often check teens social media before acceptance.  This has been common fir a very long time.  I’m actually surprised some have that omg attitude, how can they do that.  They meaning people in authority have been doing stuff like this forverer.  It’s not new at all.

[MAJBobby]

Jon Gruden the sacrificial lamb. 
 

so tell me why the NFL would leak emails on a coach that had nothing to do with the investigation of what they are actually looking at. Who Al’s doesn’t coach for the team they are looking at. 
 

NFL just sacrificed Gruden to keep other things quiet. This is exactly why they paid off Kaepernick and others they fear the discovery process. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Mango said:

 

I added it to this post but I’ll repost here.

 

Hopefully you don’t use your personal phone as a work phone because it’s not yours anymore. Once you give access to IT to add you to the exchange server, you waived your privacy. They have full access. If you quit they can wipe your entire device. They can read every text you send.  
 

I know somebody who runs HR at a very prominent Buffalo company. She says they get access to private social media posts all the time. 

As someone very familiar with this technology the underlined is patently false. 
 

If you use your own privately purchased smartphone for work email by authenticating into an exchange server, employers absolutely cannot monitor text messages made on the phone on a non work network and non work text platform. 
 

This sounds like my cousins saying the cia watches you through your tv… 🤦‍♂️ 
 

 

[nucci]

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Jon Gruden the sacrificial lamb. 
 

so tell me why the NFL would leak emails on a coach that had nothing to do with the investigation of what they are actually looking at. Who Al’s doesn’t coach for the team they are looking at. 
 

NFL just sacrificed Gruden to keep other things quiet. This is exactly why they paid off Kaepernick and others they fear the discovery process. 

Correct, they're protecting Washington and also St.Louis lawsuit

[Coach Tuesday]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Jon Gruden the sacrificial lamb. 
 

so tell me why the NFL would leak emails on a coach that had nothing to do with the investigation of what they are actually looking at. Who Al’s doesn’t coach for the team they are looking at. 
 

NFL just sacrificed Gruden to keep other things quiet. This is exactly why they paid off Kaepernick and others they fear the discovery process. 

 

And/or, instead of sending a formal memo announcing (retroactive) changes to their personal conduct policy to reflect updated societal mores, Gruden WAS the memo.  Much easier.

[mannc]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Well, I don’t know where you work, but today’s HS kids are being counseled about their social media and how it can linger forever and influence future opportunities.  
 

Im told some companies request access to social media as part of hiring

But social media is entirely different than private emails.  Anytime you post something on social media, you’re posting it to the world (although some social media accounts are “private”, i.e. open only to a select group.)….much greater expectation of privacy associated with an email sent to one person, especially if that email is sent from your own private email account, rather than your employer’s account.  It is most certainly not the norm for a potential employer to ask to see someone’s private emails. That just doesn’t happen, for a lot of reasons.

Edited October 12, 2021 by mannc

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Hap, they don’t just request, they do it.  It’s part of the hiring culture to check social media.  It’s been done in my industry for years.  I had a buddy who was a fellow manager bring this up to me to check their Facebook a decade ago.  I didn’t, but this isn’t new.  Colleges often check teens social media before acceptance.  This has been common fir a very long time.  I’m actually surprised some have that omg attitude, how can they do that.  They meaning people in authority have been doing stuff like this forverer.  It’s not new at all.

Yeah- we all know that they look at your public profile… everyone understands this. 
 

the private and blocked stuff is where the real damning stuff is every single time. Why wouldn’t employers start saying they need your user name and password to check everything before making a hire? 
 

it’s going to happen, like a background check. 

[nucci]

I'm not worried. I don't have any social media accounts. Of course I'm a grumpy old man...

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

And/or, instead of sending a formal memo announcing (retroactive) changes to their personal conduct policy to reflect updated societal mores, Gruden WAS the memo.  Much easier.

Nah just your standard coverup technique of diversion. See the NFL couldn’t do a damn thing they knew it as the emails he wasn’t working for the NFL. 
 

so they kicked it to the Raiders who Davis wasn’t going to do anything. 
 

also could be the scars of Davis vs The NFL. NFL sticking it to the Raiders for ALs war against them. 
 

these emails would never have seen the light of day if the League didn’t leak them. it reportedly is a long email thread with a lot of names on it. Why was only Grudens name and portion leaked?  

Edited October 12, 2021 by MAJBobby

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yeah- we all know that they look at your public profile… everyone understands this. 
 

the private and blocked stuff is where the real damning stuff is every single time. Why wouldn’t employers start saying they need your user name and password to check everything before making a hire? 
 

it’s going to happen, like a background check. 

Social media-yes.  Email history-no.

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

As someone very familiar with this technology the underlined is patently false. 
 

If you use your own privately purchased smartphone for work email by authenticating into an exchange server, employers absolutely cannot monitor text messages made on the phone on a non work network and non work text platform. 
 

This sounds like my cousins saying the cia watches you through your tv… 🤦‍♂️ 
 

 

It’s not patently false. In fact my company will clear your entire personal phone remotely the day you quit or get fired. 
 

It is server dependent. In order to connect to your Microsoft exchange server the general agreement gives your company full access, including texts. Your company may or may not take advantage of it. But you waive your right to privacy. 

[Gisele]

"He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone"

Pretty famous guy said this.  

[H2o]

23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Jon Gruden the sacrificial lamb. 
 

so tell me why the NFL would leak emails on a coach that had nothing to do with the investigation of what they are actually looking at. Who Al’s doesn’t coach for the team they are looking at. 
 

NFL just sacrificed Gruden to keep other things quiet. This is exactly why they paid off Kaepernick and others they fear the discovery process. 

Yeah, something about this all seems targeted and fishy to me as well. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are MANY who have typed out some really stupid or suspect things thinking they were done in the confidence of privacy in general. For some reason Gruden has been singled out and his situation is the one they want people focused on. 

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Nah just your standard coverup technique of diversion. See the NFL couldn’t do a damn thing they knew it as the emails he wasn’t working for the NFL. 
 

so they kicked it to the Raiders who Davis wasn’t going to do anything. 
 

also could be the scars of Davis vs The NFL. NFL sticking it to the Raiders for ALs war against them. 
 

these emails would never have seen the light of day if the League didn’t leak them. it reportedly is a long email thread with a lot of names on it. Why was only Grudens name and portion leaked?  

 

Maybe Goodell doesn't appreciate some of the things that Gruden said about him and is a vindictive $%@$@?

 

PFT is speculating that the releases have been selective, and that there are more - including, possibly, emails denigrating Mark Davis.  They think Gruden may have resigned before those emails come to light.

 

Regardless of the reason, I don't feel sorry for the guy.  There are armies of middle-aged white men who are seeing the narrative shift on them late in their careers but who frankly should've known better.  I get the "glass houses" thing and I'm not about to defend cancel culture.  But in my experience (and I have a lot of it), the folks who get "cancelled" are usually complete a-holes who have no real allies left because of how they've treated everyone for years and years. They might not deserve to have their reputations sullied, and they might not actually be racists or misogynists, etc., but they probably deserved the comeuppance.   

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

It’s not patently false. In fact my company will clear your entire personal phone remotely the day you quit or get fired. 
 

It is server dependent. In order to connect to your Microsoft exchange server the general agreement gives your company full access, including texts. Your company may or may not take advantage of it. But you waive your right to privacy. 

Yes it is. I did not underline the wipe part because it can be done. Show me where in the T&c you agree to text message monitoring on non work applications?
 

You’re conflating fake conspiracy news with a poor understanding of technology. 

 

But please continue spreading fallacy, at least it is a useful lie because it makes people think twice about what they put in writing. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, mannc said:

But social media is entirely different than private emails.  Anytime you post something on social media, you’re posting it to the world (although some social media accounts are “private”, i.e. open only to a select group.)….much greater expectation of privacy associated with an email sent to one person, especially if that email is sent from your own private email account, rather than your employer’s account.  It is most certainly not the norm for a potential employer to ask to see someone’s private emails. That just doesn’t happen, for a lot of reasons.

 

the post I was responding to said "demand access to their private email and social media history? "

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

the post I was responding to said "demand access to their private email and social media history? "

“Private” being the operative word hap

[Hapless Bills Fan]

52 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

Resigning was the proper thing to do and he should have done it last week knowing all the skeletons he still had hidden.

 

He was probably drunk when he sent them and doesn't remember

[BuffaloRebound]

Just now, H2o said:

Yeah, something about this all seems targeted and fishy to me as well. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are MANY who have typed out some really stupid or suspect things thinking they were done in the confidence of privacy in general. For some reason Gruden has been singled out and his situation is the one they want people focused on. 

I don’t know.  Maybe you and me.  But most people who are famous or work for a large multi-billion dollar company aren’t dumb enough to send emails of this nature even if they privately believe that.  Even with 500,000 emails, Gruden is probably only one dumb enough to put this stuff in an email.