[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[GoBills808]

@flazsaid it first!

[JoPoy88]

8 minutes ago, klos63 said:

my meaning is that he brought this on himself. Nobody else to blame, no 'canceling'.

Ah gotcha. 100% agree

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. 

Yeah his non fake self was he didn't like women referees and gay players. 🤷‍♂️

[Freddie's Dead]

I'm interested to see what Gruden gets paid.  If he had a morals or "conduct unbecoming" clause in his contract, Davis may be off the hook.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I'm interested to see what Gruden gets paid.  If he had a morals or "conduct unbecoming" clause in his contract, Davis may be off the hook.

I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

"The emails, which span from 2010 until 2018, when the coach signed a 10-year deal with Las Vegas after years as a "Monday Night Football" analyst, include Gruden calling Goodell a "f-----" and "clueless anti-football p----," criticizing Goodell for allegedly pressuring then-Rams coach Jeff Fisher to draft "queers," and messages to Allen that featured photos of topless Washington Football Team cheerleaders."

 

[djp14150]

Gruden isn’t getting hired as an analyst anytime soon

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. 

Right. 
 

I agree with this. Everybody should be much more open and not worried about being politically correct so that we know who to not engage with. But like, that also means if you run around calling people a f*gg*t, people might not want to engage with you. 
 

Kind of like what happened here. Had Gruden been more open about being a total shirt head, he might never have gotten back into the league. And that would have been much more preferable and deserving. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on?

 

depends upon the contract language, but quite possibly (if he resigns vs. being fired "at will" vs being fired for cause/conduct unbecoming)

[Captain Caveman]

Wait, I just went to the Raiders site to see who might take over and came across this:

 

https://www.raiders.com/team/coaches-roster/deuce-gruden

 

 

Named after a turd (by a turd)

 

[Freddie's Dead]

Just now, Warcodered said:

I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on?

 

Wade Phillips v. Buffalo Bills.  He fired me!  He resigned!  He fired me!  He resigned!  All depends on what's in the contract.  I would argue that if Gruden was fired, it would be for cause.

[VaMilBill]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

Another team in the AFC falling apart. Good for the Bills. 

Ehh. Raiders were gonna fall apart with or without Gruden. Lol

[Mark Vader]

3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

There will be people out there saying this is "cancel culture" but come on, this is pretty ***** behavior and obviously terrible for someone in a leadership position. 

Cancel culture does exist.

 

That being said, Gruden has no one to blame but himself.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I think the phrase we used to have for this sort of behavior was "p*ssing in the Boss's Wheaties"

 

You don't need to be very bright to figure out that if you're involved in the business of football, using that sort of language in writing (or from your work email account) about the NFL Commissioner is a "career limiting move"

[djp14150]

Just now, VaMilBill said:

Ehh. Raiders were gonna fall apart with or without Gruden. Lol

This actually might prevent it than if gruden finished the year.

[BuffaloBills1998]

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I'm interested to see what Gruden gets paid.  If he had a morals or "conduct unbecoming" clause in his contract, Davis may be off the hook.

Doubtful I mean extremely doubtful that there was a clause like that in his contract. that’s an issue that we’ll have to see which way the wind blows

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. 
 

Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. 
 

I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. 

He wrote the e-mails with words on them.

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. 

It’s a lot of hypocrisy.  If this has happened last year, then that’s one thing.  But this happened a decade when Gruden was in a completely different situation and our world was a much different place.  

[Patience]

6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. 

 

I think there are folks out there, some of whom may be viable coaching candidates, that don't hold the views espoused in Gruden's emails, and thus don't have to "hide" or be fake about gender equality, orientation equality, etc.  At least, I would hope.  

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Cancel culture does exist.

 

That being said, Gruden has no one to blame but himself.

 

Right, but I think there's a big difference between ***** cancel culture and very valid complaints over these emails, ESPECIALLY if they were sending pics of topless women and cheerleaders back and forth.  

Edited October 12, 2021 by BillsEnthusiast