PromoTheRobot Posted February 4, 2022 Posted February 4, 2022 14 hours ago, TBBills said: You are angry at the Sabres not me I'm not angry at the Sabres. They have begun the process of becoming competitive. A process that takes years and can't be rushed. Shortcuts taken by GM Tim Murray sunk this franchise and put us where we were. So if you can't bear waiting for things to turn around, I suggest following a different team until they are competitive. 1 1
BillsFan4 Posted February 4, 2022 Posted February 4, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 9:58 AM, PromoTheRobot said: It's hard to believe and accept but this Sabres team is on the right path. Granato and Adams are the Sabres McDermott and Beane. It just takes longer in the NHL because you can't just sign a bunch of free agents. You have to build through the draft and it takes years for those players to develop. It might be 2024 before they are contenders but they are getting there. I also think they are on the right path. I won’t go as far as to say they’re the Sabres McDermott and Beane. But I do like Granato a lot. He seems like the right coach. He knows hockey, seems like a very good teacher and our young players actually seem to be developing. I hope both him and Kevyn Adams get time to turn this around. and this is coming from someone who was furious about the Adams hire at the time. I’ve been extremely skeptical of him. But I like what he’s done and is doing. I like that he held his ground on the Eichel trade. I like that he’s creating a top notch analytics department. Some of his draft picks are looking pretty good, as are the players he acquired in trade. Im just hoping the Pegulas don’t hit the panic button again. That Andrew Peters rumor about big changes has me uneasy. I’m hoping it’s something unrelated to people being fired. They need to stick to a damn plan for once. Like you said, there’s no quick fix for this team. 1
Beerball Posted February 4, 2022 Posted February 4, 2022 17 hours ago, TBBills said: You are angry at the Sabres not me You’re deflecting. If only we could say the same about the Sabres goalies. 1
Helpmenow Posted February 5, 2022 Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 6500 average attendees at the rink. Really I thought it would be lower than what I read in the news Bettman has complete confidence in the pegulas after 11th year of not making the playoffs. Lol Edited February 5, 2022 by Helpmenow
BillsFan4 Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2022/02/08/2022-winter-olympics-a-guide-to-mens-hockey-at-the-beijing-winter-games/ https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2022/02/08/2022-olympic-womens-hockey-guide-full-schedule-team-usa-roster-for-beijing-winter-games/ tv schedule for Olympic hockey for anyone interested. (first link is men’s. 2nd link is women’s)
May Day 10 Posted February 8, 2022 Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/4/2022 at 2:51 PM, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not angry at the Sabres. They have begun the process of becoming competitive. A process that takes years and can't be rushed. Shortcuts taken by GM Tim Murray sunk this franchise and put us where we were. So if you can't bear waiting for things to turn around, I suggest following a different team until they are competitive. Botterill too. And you can argue Kruger and Adyms until this past Summer. There isnt/wasnt much choice to do what they have done. The tear-down is also the easy part. The challenge is actually improving on the NHL stage. I really do hope we see it next season. The prospect of having a team of Dahlin, Thompson, Cozens, Krebs, Quinn, Paterka, Power, Samuelsson, Mittelstadt, Tuch, Skinner and UPK may be exciting. You would also hope that the analytics team there can find the best buys of Free-Agency. The team does need a little bit of sandpaper in their organization. Botterill was completely averse to that and Adams hasnt done much to fix that yet. 2
BillsFan4 Posted February 9, 2022 Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) Definitely a much different vibe than previous years. It doesn’t feel like we’re holding any players hostage anymore. Edited February 9, 2022 by BillsFan4
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 9, 2022 Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 2:31 PM, Helpmenow said: Bettman has complete confidence in the pegulas after 11th year of not making the playoffs.
Nextmanup Posted February 9, 2022 Posted February 9, 2022 15 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Definitely a much different vibe than previous years. It doesn’t feel like we’re holding any players hostage anymore. This is such BS in the video... What do you expect the poor kid to say, though? Of course he's going to say positive things. "The city is excited"...really? Have a look at the empty seats, Rasmus! "Krebsy" is playing great--just assigned to Rochester b/c he's clearly not ready for the NHL yet... And so on... I like Granato a lot and think he's doing as good a job as he can do, but at what point does his .389 win percentage get addressed? Never? "Wait 'til next year!" exclaimed the Sabres fans.
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2022 Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 3:31 PM, Helpmenow said: 6500 average attendees at the rink. Really I thought it would be lower than what I read in the news Bettman has complete confidence in the pegulas after 11th year of not making the playoffs. Lol You act like this is a bad thing. Any other league would be sending the moving vans for the Sabres. Bettman stood up for Buffalo after Rigas went to jail and the buzzards from Hamilton were circling. He's standing pat in Arizona when everyone says get out. And now he's sticking with us again while we fix this franchise. I don't understand Buffalo fans who want to stick it to the owners that are keeping our teams here. You really want the alternative? 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I like Granato a lot and think he's doing as good a job as he can do, but at what point does his .389 win percentage get addressed? Never? "Wait 'til next year!" exclaimed the Sabres fans. What was your expectation this season? The playoffs? This team just tore it down to the studs and are only just rebuilding the roster. .389 is already better than last year and we have some real stars ready to move up in Peterka and Quinn, not to mention Tuch, Krebs, Dahin, Cozens and Thompson. The Sabres on on the right track. It's just not an express.
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 9, 2022 Posted February 9, 2022 Todays Athletic has the Sabres at #1 in prospects for 2022. Quite a impressive list.
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2022 Posted February 9, 2022 49 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Todays Athletic has the Sabres at #1 in prospects for 2022. Quite a impressive list. Yes, considering Tim Murray emptied the cupboards when he was GM. 1
BillsFan4 Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) On 2/9/2022 at 12:45 PM, Nextmanup said: This is such BS in the video... What do you expect the poor kid to say, though? Of course he's going to say positive things. "The city is excited"...really? Have a look at the empty seats, Rasmus! "Krebsy" is playing great--just assigned to Rochester b/c he's clearly not ready for the NHL yet... And so on... I like Granato a lot and think he's doing as good a job as he can do, but at what point does his .389 win percentage get addressed? Never? "Wait 'til next year!" exclaimed the Sabres fans. I don’t know. I see a much different vibe than last year. If Dahlin is just saying nice things why wasn’t he saying this stuff last year? Or the year before? I agree on your comments about the city not being excited. Krebs was assigned to Rochester during the all star break to get games in. They recalled him yesterday. Granato is doing more with much less than his predecessors. He has a better points percentage than last year’s team with FAR less talent + 1/2 the team on the injured list. Im far from satisfied with the win/loss % but everyone knew this was a tear down year. I don’t know that any coach could win with this roster. I don’t think the answer to the Sabres problems is to change coaches. They’ve changed coaches every couple years since firing Ruff. It’s time to actually stick with a plan for once and see it through. That’s been another issue IMO. They’re constantly changing directions. You can’t keep changing the vision every 2-3 years and ever expect to build anything. This isn’t the NFL where you can turn over a roster in a season or two. I think both Adams and Granato have done enough to get the time to implement their plans. I’d like to see both get at least 3 more years. I obviously expect to see progress during that time. Edited February 10, 2022 by BillsFan4 1
CountDorkula Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 20 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Todays Athletic has the Sabres at #1 in prospects for 2022. Quite a impressive list. They were also number 1 in 2014. Prospects are just prospects until they prove otherwise. Many of those perceived names will fall short of expectation. not just a sabres problem, but outside of Tampa who inexplicably hits on everyone nearly every teams prospects fall short outside of a few.
CountDorkula Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 21 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: You act like this is a bad thing. Any other league would be sending the moving vans for the Sabres. Bettman stood up for Buffalo after Rigas went to jail and the buzzards from Hamilton were circling. He's standing pat in Arizona when everyone says get out. And now he's sticking with us again while we fix this franchise. I don't understand Buffalo fans who want to stick it to the owners that are keeping our teams here. You really want the alternative? What was your expectation this season? The playoffs? This team just tore it down to the studs and are only just rebuilding the roster. .389 is already better than last year and we have some real stars ready to move up in Peterka and Quinn, not to mention Tuch, Krebs, Dahin, Cozens and Thompson. The Sabres on on the right track. It's just not an express. Two things, Im gona call a spade a spade and say the Pegulas have been a disaster ownership for the Sabres. Nothing they have done has worked, and they have almost always make the wrong decisions. The arena atmosphere is hot garbage. They were mad at Eichel for requesting a trade out of buffalo the season before the neck injury, and were shocked and angry because of it. Also Granatos win% is currently 2nd worst in the history of the franchise for a coach lasting longer than 1 season. if this losing continues he wont make a full 3rd season. Granato does some good things, but many analysts are starting to question some of his decisions and lack of in game adjustments. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 9:10 PM, BillsFan4 said: Definitely a much different vibe than previous years. It doesn’t feel like we’re holding any players hostage anymore. Was that John Wawrow asking one of his rambling 5 minute questions?
BADOLBILZ Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Two things, Im gona call a spade a spade and say the Pegulas have been a disaster ownership for the Sabres. Nothing they have done has worked, and they have almost always make the wrong decisions. The arena atmosphere is hot garbage. They were mad at Eichel for requesting a trade out of buffalo the season before the neck injury, and were shocked and angry because of it. Also Granatos win% is currently 2nd worst in the history of the franchise for a coach lasting longer than 1 season. if this losing continues he wont make a full 3rd season. Granato does some good things, but many analysts are starting to question some of his decisions and lack of in game adjustments. Don't take it personally.............Promo is only engaged when he has two things aligned............an inept franchise to defend and disgruntled fans to shame. 1
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: They were also number 1 in 2014. Prospects are just prospects until they prove otherwise. Many of those perceived names will fall short of expectation. not just a sabres problem, but outside of Tampa who inexplicably hits on everyone nearly every teams prospects fall short outside of a few. Did somebody run over your dog or something?
TBBills Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Did somebody run over your dog or something? I think it was Terry... 1
PromoTheRobot Posted February 10, 2022 Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, CountDorkula said: Two things, Im gona call a spade a spade and say the Pegulas have been a disaster ownership for the Sabres. Nothing they have done has worked, and they have almost always make the wrong decisions. The arena atmosphere is hot garbage. They were mad at Eichel for requesting a trade out of buffalo the season before the neck injury, and were shocked and angry because of it. Also Granatos win% is currently 2nd worst in the history of the franchise for a coach lasting longer than 1 season. if this losing continues he wont make a full 3rd season. Granato does some good things, but many analysts are starting to question some of his decisions and lack of in game adjustments. First, about Granato. He was hired to rebuild a team from nothing. So his winning % means diddly squat. This year, and likely the next two, are for player development, not a playoff run. Then there's Jack Eichel. He requested a trade before his neck injury. Then when the injury happened, he wanted the Sabres to okay his ADR procedure and be on the hook for his remaining $50MM if something went wrong. Would you do that for a player that told you he wanted out? You'd have to be a fool to do that. And let's not get ahead of ourselves. Jack has yet to step on the ice in a real game. It's a little premature to declare his neck surgery a success. As for the Pegula's, their Sabres tenure has been a train wreck. But why? It wasn't a lack of spending. It was hiring the wrong people. And just like the Bills, once they hit the right hire, things turned around. I think the front office under Kevyn Adams is the right guy. Don Granato is an exceptional developmental coach. While no players is fully worth a Jack Eichel, Alex Tuch and Peyton Krebs have been terrific. But unlike other sports, you can't turn an NHL team around a dime. Especially when you are rebuilding through the draft. You bring up 2014 prospects. They panned out but for OTHER TEAMS!! Tim Murray thought he could take a shortcut and traded away all our prospects and draft picks for duds like Robin Lehner, Zach Bogosian and Evander Kane. Kevyn Adams is not making that mistake again. So they've committed to a multi-year rebuild. They have a load of top prospects and a crap ton of draft picks the next two drafts, including three first rounders in the 2022 draft. So be mad that they suck. Be mad at the Pegulas. But don't be mad that they are taking the long slow road back to respectability. Edited February 10, 2022 by PromoTheRobot 1 3 1
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