The Edmunds Report - Week 3, WTF's v. Bills, 09/26/21

[Freddie's Dead]

1 minute ago, Lv-Bills said:

So let me get this straight.  PFF covers football ad nauseum, yet they suck.  Their opinion is garbage, right?  But we have an internet poster, that I've seen so many people in this post call "objective" analysis, even though it's the furthest thing from objective.  The OP's analysis, is totally the definition of subjective.  PFF and the OP both have put out subjective analysis, and of course, some of you are using each entity to support your own side of the argument citing whichever analysis you agree with as objective.

 

LOL.  Completely laughable.  And note....please note.....I gave no opinion on which subjective analysis I think is correct.  That makes this post completely OBJECTIVE as it relates to both the OP or PFF being wrong or right about Edmunds.

 

 

 

I'm reporting what I see on the tape, so if you disregard the grades, that's objective.  The grades are my subjective way of trying to quantify good v bad plays.  Since I have no idea what his assignment is on any play, the grades are completely subjective.  I'm doing this because I was an Edmunds hater.  I've reviewed two game tapes that told me that some of my conclusions on his play were invalid.  Clearly you disagree.  You have very lofty expectations for 49, and he's not meeting them, so you're bummed.  I get it.  Can't help you there.  

[Don Otreply]

16 minutes ago, Lv-Bills said:

So let me get this straight.  PFF covers football ad nauseum, yet they suck.  Their opinion is garbage, right?  But we have an internet poster, that I've seen so many people in this post call "objective" analysis, even though it's the furthest thing from objective.  Which is OK.  It's the OP's viewpoint on what he saw.  It's not objective either.  They make think it is, but there all kinds of hints to a subjective viewpoint.  The OP's analysis, is totally the definition of subjective.  PFF and the OP both have put out subjective analysis, and of course, some of you are using each entity to support your own side of the argument citing whichever analysis you agree with as objective.

 

LOL.  Completely laughable.  And note....please note.....I gave no opinion on which subjective analysis I think is correct (OP or PFF).  That makes this post completely OBJECTIVE as it relates to both the OP or PFF being wrong or right about Edmunds.  I'm calling either one right or wrong, but drawing my own conclusions about what each one has put out there.

 

 

We have ALL seen the absurd rankings that Pff does repeatedly, the childish antics they openly admit to,  yet you expect us to believe they have credibility?? Next thing you know you will be telling everyone that the pats have never cheated…, 

 

Go Bills!!’

[machine gun kelly]

Thanks for the hard work Freddie. At least reasonable people will read week to week, and makeup their own mind vs. bending facts to their POV.

 

I have an open mind.

 

BTW-I’m in a wait and see this year so you’re Evans when you have time to do it is helpful.

Edited September 29, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[Kelly the Dog]

Thanks for this. Good solid analysis and actually watching each play. Of course certain plays different posters will call it differently, and I may add to the -1-0-+1 ratings system a +2 or -2 for giving up a long play or score or making a stop that causes a turnover or punt, but this is good fodder for discussion.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I'm not qualified to judge how good or bad PFF is. But as others said you can't have it both ways. You can't say Milano is playing great and ranked #2 and say PFF sucks because they rate Edmunds poorly.

 

Here are a couple of other arguments that don't make sense.

 

The defense is playing great so Edmunds must be as well or at worst his poor play doesn't matter. This makes zero sense. 

 

He is great in pass protection because of his range.  Really? Where is the stats or video evidence to back up this claim.  He has 1 pass defense this year and had 3 total in 2020 after having 21 his first two years. I will concede some of these recent low stats may be QB choice not to challenge there. I think he gets great deep drops and it is fairly rare opposing QBs hit a deep crossing route between him and the safeties.  He seems to excel here. But I dont see great anticipation or adjustments to guys crossing in front of him. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

How can a team field a top 5 defense for the vast majority of the time he has been on this team if the QB of the defense(him) "sucks"?

 

I don't think he completely sucks, but he has weak instincts that smart offenses can easily exploit. Washington is not a smart offense. The thing he does at an elite level - taking away passing windows in the middle of the field - was on display in that game. But I am slightly terrified thinking of him covering Kelce in 2 weeks.

[YattaOkasan]

15 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I'm not qualified to judge how good or bad PFF is. But as others said you can't have it both ways. You can't say Milano is playing great and ranked #2 and say PFF sucks because they rate Edmunds poorly.

 

Here are a couple of other arguments that don't make sense.

 

The defense is playing great so Edmunds must be as well or at worst his poor play doesn't matter. This makes zero sense. 

 

He is great in pass protection because of his range.  Really? Where is the stats or video evidence to back up this claim.  He has 1 pass defense this year and had 3 total in 2020 after having 21 his first two years. I will concede some of these recent low stats may be QB choice not to challenge there. I think he gets great deep drops and it is fairly rare opposing QBs hit a deep crossing route between him and the safeties.  He seems to excel here. But I dont see great anticipation or adjustments to guys crossing in front of him. 

Why does it make 0 sense?  It could be a logical fallacy but it seems logical that if the defense is playing well then Edmunds is. 

 

See cover 1 for video evidence to back up the claims of good in coverage.

 

EDIT: below is video breakdown from Broncos last year.  most of coverage this year has been to the twitter which i def dont know how to work

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNB2n8QTfWA&t=467s

Edited September 29, 2021 by YattaOkasan

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I'm not qualified to judge how good or bad PFF is. But as others said you can't have it both ways. You can't say Milano is playing great and ranked #2 and say PFF sucks because they rate Edmunds poorly.

 

Here are a couple of other arguments that don't make sense.

 

The defense is playing great so Edmunds must be as well or at worst his poor play doesn't matter. This makes zero sense. 

 

He is great in pass protection because of his range.  Really? Where is the stats or video evidence to back up this claim.  He has 1 pass defense this year and had 3 total in 2020 after having 21 his first two years. I will concede some of these recent low stats may be QB choice not to challenge there. I think he gets great deep drops and it is fairly rare opposing QBs hit a deep crossing route between him and the safeties.  He seems to excel here. But I dont see great anticipation or adjustments to guys crossing in front of him. 

What if I told you 2+2=4? Would I never be wrong about anything else because I was right about that?

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think he completely sucks, but he has weak instincts that smart offenses can easily exploit. Washington is not a smart offense. The thing he does at an elite level - taking away passing windows in the middle of the field - was on display in that game. But I am slightly terrified thinking of him covering Kelce in 2 weeks.

 

Nobody covers Kelce let's be real.

[Mike in Horseheads]

Good Lord, We have "The Edmunds report' now what is this cable news

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He has 1 pass defense this year and had 3 total in 2020 after having 21 his first two years. 

 

He has at least two PD's this year, both rejections, one against Rapelisberger and the other against the Muffler (or maybe it's not a PD because Muffler caught the rejection?).  I missed most of the Miami game and my DVR died during it, so I don't know how he played there.

14 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Good Lord, We have "The Edmunds report' now what is this cable news

 

A few years back, I did The Zebra Report, a tape review of the refs.  

Edited September 29, 2021 by Freddie's Dead

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I'm not qualified to judge how good or bad PFF is. But as others said you can't have it both ways. You can't say Milano is playing great and ranked #2 and say PFF sucks because they rate Edmunds poorly.

 

Here are a couple of other arguments that don't make sense.

 

The defense is playing great so Edmunds must be as well or at worst his poor play doesn't matter. This makes zero sense. 

 

He is great in pass protection because of his range.  Really? Where is the stats or video evidence to back up this claim.  He has 1 pass defense this year and had 3 total in 2020 after having 21 his first two years. I will concede some of these recent low stats may be QB choice not to challenge there. I think he gets great deep drops and it is fairly rare opposing QBs hit a deep crossing route between him and the safeties.  He seems to excel here. But I dont see great anticipation or adjustments to guys crossing in front of him. 

He shrinks the other zones in coverage and it’s difficult to throw over the top of him. His instincts become an issue against the better offenses and QBs though. Coordinator’s can force him to choose between receiving options, and the better QBs can drop the ball in the bucket behind him like Allen did to Fred Warner last year. The latter is particularly evident when he bites on play action. To be fair though, less competent offenses do tend to avoid his area due to his length and range.

 

Honestly, I don’t think we’re having this discussion of Edmunds was still making splash plays like his rookie season. One has to wonder why though, and the OP is a great starting point for a closer look. 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think he completely sucks, but he has weak instincts that smart offenses can easily exploit. Washington is not a smart offense. The thing he does at an elite level - taking away passing windows in the middle of the field - was on display in that game. But I am slightly terrified thinking of him covering Kelce in 2 weeks.

 

We'll see how good his coverage is against Kelce.  The Edmunds Report will be there.

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

He shrinks the other zones in coverage and it’s difficult to throw over the top of him. His instincts become an issue against the better offenses and QBs though. Coordinator’s can force him to choose between receiving options, and the better QBs can drop the ball in the bucket behind him like Allen did to Fred Warner last year. The latter is particularly evident when he bites on play action. To be fair though, less competent offenses do tend to avoid his area due to his length and range.

 

Astute observation, this is what I saw on the 24-yard seam completion behind 49 that Rapelisberger threw to a PIT tight end in the Squeeler game.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Thanks for this. Good solid analysis and actually watching each play. Of course certain plays different posters will call it differently, and I may add to the -1-0-+1 ratings system a +2 or -2 for giving up a long play or score or making a stop that causes a turnover or punt, but this is good fodder for discussion.

 

I'm already getting enough ***** for being too subjective.  If I was to give out + or - 2?  The haterz would go nuts.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Big C said:

That overturned pick by Tre changed the complexion of the game. It was a super soft call and it led directly to that great catch by Claypool which gave them the momentum. 

It was for sure.  Bad call imo.  We still didn’t force them to punt in the 2nd half.

 

I’m not coming down on our defense.  Our D has been much much better this season.  I just think it’s too early to say we’re a dominant defense considering that we played Old Ben, Heineken and Brissett.  Davis mills……then the real test.

[Buffalo Junction]

3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Astute observation, this is what I saw on the 24-yard seam completion behind 49 that Rapelisberger threw to a PIT tight end in the Squeeler game.

It’s been going on for a while. Usually requires an accurate QB and a good TE though. KC exploits this against Edmunds, as did Fitz and Gesicki. Brady did as well until Gronk retired.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

We have ALL seen the absurd rankings that Pff does repeatedly, the childish antics they openly admit to,  yet you expect us to believe they have credibility?? Next thing you know you will be telling everyone that the pats have never cheated…, 

 

Go Bills!!’

I’m not a big pff guy, but the nfl hired pff to give their teams reports.  Over 75% of the ncaa power 5 teams have hired pff for their reports. Their numbers have value and they continue to grow.  

 

if that doesn’t make them at least a little bit credible (especially compared to the OP, no offense @Freddie's Dead, I love your work), than I’m not quite sure if anything could make them credible in some peoples eyes.  They aren’t the gospel on football, but we can’t discount everything they do just because we don’t agree with some of their rankings.  

[eball]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m not coming down on our defense.  Our D has been much much better this season.  I just think it’s too early to say we’re a dominant defense considering that we played Old Ben, Heineken and Brissett.  Davis mills……then the real test.

 

I'm with you, man...I need to see them against a real threat at QB.  I think there is a lot that is better...the run D, the pass rush...but until there is a true test we just don't know.  You have no idea how badly I want to see Groot reach out with a big paw and twirl Mahomes to the ground.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Thanks for the hard work Freddie. At least reasonable people will read week to week, and makeup their own mind vs. bending facts to their POV.

 

I have an open mind.

 

BTW-I’m in a wait and see this year so you’re Evans when you have time to do it is helpful.

Even the Edmunds backers are 💯 wait and see guys.  I haven’t see one person say that they want to pay him 15M+ a year.  Everyone is holding out hope that he gets better and then he might be worth it.  

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm with you, man...I need to see them against a real threat at QB.  I think there is a lot that is better...the run D, the pass rush...but until there is a true test we just don't know.  You have no idea how badly I want to see Groot reach out with a big paw and twirl Mahomes to the ground.

Oh I do buddy!!   But I hope it’s Epenesa.  He brings the pain!!!

[97bills]

On 9/27/2021 at 10:37 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree....I don't care anymore how McD wants to use him. He's not worth a penny more than these top 5.  Too much backpedaling into no man's land. Zero splash plays. Frustrating instincts. Shut down Kelce in 2 weeks and I'll get off his back.

If he keeps kelce under 75 yards I will try to do a backflip. P.s I’m 44 lol