78thealltimegreat Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) Just was curious does Mac Jones struggles along with Tuas and other Bama QBs finally put to rest any argument that it really is Bamas talent around the QB and not the QB itself that makes them successful. Cause I think it’s a large enough sample now that if I’m an NFL GM and I see a highly touted Bama QB I just look elsewhere now since Bryce Young will probably get similar hype in another year or two. Edited September 27, 2021 by 78thealltimegreat
Blainorama5 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 No. Not enough time to truly evaluate either Jones or Tua. It's like suggesting that all Wyoming QBs are awful. Would normally be a safe assumption, but a few years later, that's clearly not true. Ask again in another couple seasons. 4
BillsfaninSB Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 Hurts is doing okay. We will see tonight. Im counting him as an Alabama QB. 2
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 Little early to condemn Jones and even Tua. Could throw Hurts in the mix there as well as he spent some time there. Any or all of them could still find their groove and be good. I actually believe Jones will have and ok career as a middle of the road starter. Andy Dalton type career. That could be Tua's ceiling as well with a solid backup as his floor.
Blainorama5 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 Same goes for Hurts. I suspect all 3 will have their fair share of horrendous games and ones where you might see some potential. Problem is these days, it's not good enough to be a good young QB. So much of their success is due to what the team does FOR them. Set them up for failure (Darnold in NY) or set them up for success (Josh in Buffalo). Just 2 examples, but the list is long. 1
machine gun kelly Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 You don’t choose a QB by a program or not by a program. You can find these guys in Delaware, Wyoming, and 100 other places. It just depends. 3 1 1 1
Buffalo716 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: You don’t choose a QB by a program or not by a program. You can find these guys in Delaware, Wyoming, and 100 other places. It just depends. Absolutely Quarterbacking is an independent thing Most schools like Alabama or Ohio State just don't choose quarterbacks with big time NFL futures, cuz it's abut winning in college It doesn't mean that those type of quarterbacks can't land at that program 1 1 1
transient Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: You don’t choose a QB by a program or not by a program. You can find these guys in Delaware, Wyoming, and 100 other places. It just depends. Don't forget QB factories like Miami (OH), Alcorn State, Boston College, Iowa Barnstormers/Amsterdam Admirals, Brigham Young, Purdue... just a few of the random places that teams found QBs that have ended up in the top 20 in spurious historical NFL QB rankings. 1
Saxum Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Cue @Bill from NYC I do not think @Bill from NYC was a bust from Alabama. He may have busted someone from Alabama. Edited September 27, 2021 by Limeaid 3
Bill from NYC Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Absolutely Quarterbacking is an independent thing Most schools like Alabama or Ohio State just don't choose quarterbacks with big time NFL futures, cuz it's abut winning in college It doesn't mean that those type of quarterbacks can't land at that program Did you omit Clemson intentionally or was it an accident?
Buffalo716 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Did you omit Clemson intentionally or was it an accident? Dabo actively does try to recruit QBs with NFL futures .. he was all over Watson and Lawrence who were top recruits and NFL prospects He doesn't want just runners Historically Ohio State goes for runners, and Saban never cared if his quarterback had a bright NFL future... It was scheme scheme scheme Saban didn't used to recruit 5* QBs... Now he does because he realized he can't win with another Jake Coker or McElroy Edited September 27, 2021 by Buffalo716 1
machine gun kelly Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, transient said: Don't forget QB factories like Miami (OH), Alcorn State, Boston College, Iowa Barnstormers/Amsterdam Admirals, Brigham Young, Purdue... just a few of the random places that teams found QBs that have ended up in the top 20 in spurious historical NFL QB rankings. I knew you'd get it boss. A program means very little as you find gems in all places. Purdue is not exactly a powerhouse, but that’s where Brees is from. 1
Bill from NYC Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Cue @Bill from NYC LOL!!! It doesn't surprise me that many fans (most for personal reasons to include jealousy and hate) are ready to declare that Mac, Jalen, and Tua are certain to be busts. The thing is, how did Fields look? How does Lawrence look so far? How about the wonder boy on the Jets who made a good throw on the run once and was compared to Favre? 🙄 My point is that it takes time to be a good NFL Quarterback. Is there even any doubt about this? I agree with @Buffalo716that yes, Coach Saban's primary concern is to win. This would lead to getting QBs who can mange games to his system, but; times do and have changed. Alabama has a QB now who resembles Russel Wilson. They also have a commit for 2022 (from a HS in Tennessee) who looks as if he can tear apart the SEC and the NFL. Good times ahead for the Tide as long as Saban is around. Edited September 27, 2021 by Bill from NYC 1
Buffalo716 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: LOL!!! It doesn't surprise me that many fans (most for personal reasons to include jealousy and hate) are ready to declare that Mac, Jalen, and Tua are certain to be busts. The thing is, how did Fields look? How does Lawrence look so far. How about the wonder boy on the Jets who made a good throw on the run once and was compared to Favre? 🙄 My point is that it takes time to be a good NFL Quarterback. Is there even any doubt about this? I agree with @Buffalo716that yes, Coach Saban's primary concern is to win. This would lead to getting QBs who can mange games to his system, but; times do and have changed. Alabama has a QB now who resembles Russel Wilson. They also have a commit for 2022 (from a HS in Tennessee) who looks as if he can tear apart the SEC and the NFL. Good times ahead for the Tide as long as Saban is around. That's why I said historically, and it's not set in stone Saban would much rather have a five-star offensive lineman or defensive lineman than a five-star quarterback historically Edited September 27, 2021 by Buffalo716 1
Jay_Fixit Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: No. Not enough time to truly evaluate either Jones or Tua. It's like suggesting that all Wyoming QBs are awful. Would normally be a safe assumption, but a few years later, that's clearly not true. Ask again in another couple seasons. Except the sample size for Alabama QB’s is much larger than it is for Wyoming QB’s so you really don’t have much of a point here. 1 1
Bill from NYC Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Except the sample size for Alabama QB’s is much larger than it is for Wyoming QB’s so you really don’t have much of a point here. I am having a problem understanding the above. Hey.....it is probably me. My question is: Didn't Wyoming also have QBs? Why is there not the same sample size? 1
Wyobills89 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: That's why I said historically, and it's not set in stone Coach Saban also recruited Alex Smith and made him the number one draft pick Saban would much rather have a five-star offensive lineman or defensive lineman than a five-star quarterback historically I'm not sure if you mean urban Meyer instead of Saban. Alex Smith played at mwc Utah at the time. Meyer was the coach for those good Utah teams before he went to Florida.
Buffalo716 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Wyobills89 said: I'm not sure if you mean urban Meyer instead of Saban. Alex Smith played at mwc Utah at the time. Meyer was the coach for those good Utah teams before he went to Florida. Yea whoops my bad .. idk why I typed Saban I know it was Meyer Who also won national championships with a running QB in Tebow It was a brain fart Most successful college programs don't need a top QB with NFL upside... They need someone to run their offense and not make mistakes And somebody who could run give you more options in college than someone who will sit in the pocket with limited mobility First 2 progressions and run works better in college than going through 5 progressions in the pocket Edited September 27, 2021 by Buffalo716 1
The Jokeman Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: Little early to condemn Jones and even Tua. Could throw Hurts in the mix there as well as he spent some time there. Any or all of them could still find their groove and be good. I actually believe Jones will have and ok career as a middle of the road starter. Andy Dalton type career. That could be Tua's ceiling as well with a solid backup as his floor. Tua's small frame and inability to stay healthy and weak arm, unless he becomes the next Drew Brees, could make him out of league sooner than later.
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