Week 4: Texans at Bills

[teef]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Your exact words were "he doesn't have a good history against rookie QB's".

 

Then I showed you the scores in the last 5 times he's faced rookies.  So basically you were 100% wrong but then tried to save face by saying "well he didn't dominate like you expect"....lol.

 

"Girls, this weed is so good, I'm so high!".

 

"Karen, you've been smoking oregano".  

 

Remember this thread?

 

 

You would think a guy so smart would know you can’t accurately administer an IQ test to yourself.   He took a few psych classes and now his thinks he’s professor fantastic.  The only thing he managed to do was make himself look less intelligent. 

Edited October 2, 2021 by teef

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, teef said:

You would think a guy so smart would know you can’t accurate administer an IQ test to yourself.   He took a few psych classes and now his thinks he’s professor fantastic.  The only thing he managed to do was make himself look less intelligent. 

Yeah, I mean when I desperately need/want attention it's best to just get a hooker

[teef]

Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah, I mean when I desperately need/want attention it's best to just get a hooker

I bet if he hired a hooker, she’d get bored and leave. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, teef said:

I bet if he hired a hooker, she’d get bored and leave. 

Probably a good chance, especially after she calls him out on the b.s

[Blank Stare]

31 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Sorry not buying this.  It cannot possibly be this difficult to find a professional guard who fits their “scheme.”  Teller is clearly good enough to play in any scheme; Ford is so bad he’d bomb out of any scheme.  The more likely scenario is that Beane has an issue with evaluating interior linemen.  Could also be an issue with the coaching staff and scouts not being on the same page but what should be the easiest position in the NFL to fill has been a constant weakness for this group.

Guard play has become to this team what right tackle used to be (prior to Daryl Williams) and what tight end has mostly always been (although I still have hope for Knox). For some reason, the team historically struggles to identify talent for the same positions each season no matter the regime. Some of it is refusing to take a swing, while most of it has been poor talent evaluation (and refusing to accept it while continuing to play the guy). Fortunately, even with some of the misses (everyone has them), I feel pretty comfortable that McBeane knows their weaknesses and will continue to work to address them, unlike prior regimes who often seemed oblivious. 

Edited October 2, 2021 by TheProcess

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Probably a good chance, especially after she calls him out on the b.s

I’m willing to bet the hooker will have a better understanding of psych than he does. 

[Rochesterfan]

30 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Sorry not buying this.  It cannot possibly be this difficult to find a professional guard who fits their “scheme.”  Teller is clearly good enough to play in any scheme; Ford is so bad he’d bomb out of any scheme.  The more likely scenario is that Beane has an issue with evaluating interior linemen.  Could also be an issue with the coaching staff and scouts not being on the same page but what should be the easiest position in the NFL to fill has been a constant weakness for this group.

 

With Buffalo in 2018 - Teller was graded as a 60 - below average.

With Cleveland in 2019 - Teller actually got worse and graded as a 56.

 

So what exactly does that show you - He was well on his way to bombing out with his grade in 2019 mirroring Cody Ford at guard last year - who graded out at a 55. 

 

So yes current day Wyatt Teller would be great on this team, but you can’t say - boy the Bills can’t evaluate talent when the guy they traded still took multiple years after the trade to develop.  Sometimes guys find the right scheme and fit with a staff and get better and I do not see where on the Bills that playing time was coming from.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

35 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

With Buffalo in 2018 - Teller was graded as a 60 - below average.

With Cleveland in 2019 - Teller actually got worse and graded as a 56.

 

So what exactly does that show you - He was well on his way to bombing out with his grade in 2019 mirroring Cody Ford at guard last year - who graded out at a 55. 

 

So yes current day Wyatt Teller would be great on this team, but you can’t say - boy the Bills can’t evaluate talent when the guy they traded still took multiple years after the trade to develop.  Sometimes guys find the right scheme and fit with a staff and get better and I do not see where on the Bills that playing time was coming from.

 

 

Graded by whom?  Everyone in the Kitchen Sink offense was out of sync.  If you watched Teller when he was here you saw a highly athletic player who moved around extremely well but needed development with his pass sets. He repeatedly pancaked defenders during the preseason. Whereas Ford has always played heavy-footed and soft.  

[Logic]

53 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Guard play has become to this team what right tackle used to be (prior to Daryl Williams) and what tight end has mostly always been (although I still have hope for Knox). For some reason, the team historically struggles to identify talent for the same positions each season no matter the regime. Some of it is refusing to take a swing, while most of it has been poor talent evaluation (and refusing to accept it while continuing to play the guy). Fortunately, even with some of the misses (everyone has them), I feel pretty comfortable that McBeane knows their weaknesses and will continue to work to address them, unlike prior regimes who often seemed oblivious. 

The one time we actually invested high picks in the interior o-line, both picks turned into good players: Eric Wood in round 1 and Andy Levitre in round 2. Unfortunately, we didn't re-sign Levitre, and Wood had to retire earlier than expected.

Yes, we did spend a 2nd on Ford, but we anticipated him being a right tackle, in my opinion. For whatever reason, this coaching staff and front office seem to believe that as long as they invest heavily in the tackle and center position, they can get by at guard by throwing a bunch of bodies at the position (mostly flameouts from other teams and UDFA types) and seeing what sticks.

Given what we now have invested in Josh Allen, and knowing how important protection is to the continued success of the passing offense, I'd be perfectly happy investing a couple high picks on the interior o-line next year. 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Logic

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

The one time we actually invested high picks in the interior o-line, both picks turned into good players: Eric Wood in round 1 and Andy Levitre in round 2. Unfortunately, we didn't re-sign Levitre, and Wood had to retire earlier than expected.

Yes, we did spend a 2nd on Ford, but we anticipated him being a right tackle, in my opinion. For whatever reason, this coaching staff and front office seem to believe that as long as they invest heavily in the tackle and center position, they can get by at guard by throwing a bunch of bodies at the position (mostly flameouts from other teams and UDFA types) and seeing what sticks.

Given what we now have invested in Josh Allen, and knowing how important protection is to the continued success of the passing offense, I'd be perfectly happy investing a couple high picks on the interior o-line next year. 

How far back do ya wanna go? We’ve drafted interior OL high in the draft on several previous occasions. From players who’ve been to Pro Bowls to players in the HOF, we’ve drafted some great interior OL high in the draft in our history.

[Logic]

33 minutes ago, K-9 said:

How far back do ya wanna go? We’ve drafted interior OL high in the draft on several previous occasions. From players who’ve been to Pro Bowls to players in the HOF, we’ve drafted some great interior OL high in the draft in our history.

I suppose I was only thinking about recent history, say the the past 10-15 years. I'm certainly aware of the Ruben Browns, Billy Shaws, and Joe DeLamielleures of the world.

Really, all that's relevant is what this current front office does, though. All signs point to guard not being one of their priority positions, at least as it relates to prime draft capital. 

[Chandler#81]

I was about to put the kabosh on this crap thread, but recent QUALITY takes on our OL has -at least temporarily aborted the crash.

 

Now if we can just keep the OP from quoting himself, we might all learn something new..🤷‍♂️

[YoloinOhio]

 

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, Logic said:

I suppose I was only thinking about recent history, say the the past 10-15 years. I'm certainly aware of the Ruben Browns, Billy Shaws, and Joe DeLamielleures of the world.

Really, all that's relevant is what this current front office does, though. All signs point to guard not being one of their priority positions, at least as it relates to prime draft capital. 

That’s cool and I appreciate that today is what’s most relevant. But sometimes, I feel the need to remind these whippersnappers around here that we had a team long before McBeane showed up. 😄

[LeGOATski]

8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I was about to put the kabosh on this crap thread, but recent QUALITY takes on our OL has -at least temporarily aborted the crash.

 

Now if we can just keep the OP from quoting himself, we might all learn something new..🤷‍♂️

Don't put the kibosh on the weekly thread. Just delete certain posts relating to a certain highly-intelligent poster.

[Solomon Grundy]

28 minutes ago, Logic said:

I suppose I was only thinking about recent history, say the the past 10-15 years. I'm certainly aware of the Ruben Browns, Billy Shaws, and Joe DeLamielleures of the world.

Really, all that's relevant is what this current front office does, though. All signs point to guard not being one of their priority positions, at least as it relates to prime draft capital. 

Speaking of Ruben, wonder why the Bills haven’t brought him in to tutor. Teach them some of his tricks of the trade.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Lol. Nicely done!

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

3 hours ago, teef said:

Dude, your attention seeking is now through the roof.  Do you really think people don’t see through it?   You wanted a response, posted an absurd post, and had to re-quote yourself because you didn’t get the reaction you wanted.  You’re like the girl who acts drunk at the party. 

I'll reflect on this, but I really don't feel that I seek attention. The reason I quoted myself was because of the reactions to the post; I wouldn't have quoted myself if people hadn't been interacting. That's the only way I knew to respond to the feedback on the post. The original post was just intended to say I'm disappointed in Oliver in a humorous way after Joe DiBiase opined that what McD said about Oliver was the heaviest type of criticism he ever levels on a player.

 

It's possible that I have tendencies, behaviors, and motivations that are more obvious to others than they are to me, but I was just expressing disappointment in Oliver in a way that came naturally to me.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[muppy]

"Tis better to keep your mouth shut when you are a fool then to open it and remove all doubt"

 

LOL y'all are a tough crowd. I can hang and you all do too. I like this place though Im learning a LOT

 

Giuseppe I appreciatee your opinion unpopular though it may be.

 

 

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[YoloinOhio]