Big C Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 What is it with you guys? The WFT scored one TD on a 73rd screen play, another because of a special teams blunder, and another in garbage time. We didn’t get sacks, but we got two picks and a forced fumble/recovery. This defense is doing everything it needs to do. 4 1
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, NewEra said: He looked mortal today. Not bad, but he didn’t resemble the same player we saw last week. And he lost contain on the QB scramble for the touchdown. My instinct was they put him out there a little less after that. Would be interested to see the numbers because I felt like we got more Addison in the 2nd half. 2
TPS Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And he lost contain on the QB scramble for the touchdown. My instinct was they put him out there a little less after that. Would be interested to see the numbers because I felt like we got more Addison in the 2nd half. My casual observation is that he seems to be better when he is at RDE than LDE, which is where he was on that TD. The only time I keyed on him he nearly got a sack (from the RDE position) after being double-teamed. Last, FWIW, WFT's O-line has given up 1 sack in each game so far. 1
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, TPS said: My casual observation is that he seems to be better when he is at RDE than LDE, which is where he was on that TD. The only time I keyed on him he nearly got a sack (from the RDE position) after being double-teamed. Last, FWIW, WFT's O-line has given up 1 sack in each game so far. Interesting on the RDE v LDE point. You are right he was at LDE when he crashed inside and lost contain. The Bills Dline as a whole had a ton of pressure yesterday. They only got one sack recorded, but they were in there around the Quarterback a lot. Not worried about them at all. I did feel like they used AJE more sparingly 2nd half though and we got more Addison maintaining the integrity of the pocket and trying to pin Heineke in
Back2Buff Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 Mcdermott's obsession with Hughes, will continue to hold back Epenesa. Really a shame. Hughes looks awful too, which makes it even worse. 2
Brennan Huff Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Big C said: What is it with you guys? The WFT scored one TD on a 73rd screen play, another because of a special teams blunder, and another in garbage time. We didn’t get sacks, but we got two picks and a forced fumble/recovery. This defense is doing everything it needs to do. Youre 100% right. It was a total beat down. But every single person on the defense will tell you that there’s room for improvement. It’s ok to enjoy a dominating win and still point out flaws 1
JohnNord Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Big C said: What is it with you guys? The WFT scored one TD on a 73rd screen play, another because of a special teams blunder, and another in garbage time. We didn’t get sacks, but we got two picks and a forced fumble/recovery. This defense is doing everything it needs to do. I think this is a valid discussion point from the game. The Bills DL didn’t have much impact against the Steelers, and dominated against Miami. Against a strong Washington OL, the individual numbers and splash plays from out DL did not appear to be there. So it made a lot of fans wonder whether the DL was really good or if they just feasted on a weaker Miami OL
billsfan89 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: Mcdermott's obsession with Hughes, will continue to hold back Epenesa. Really a shame. Hughes looks awful too, which makes it even worse. I like Jerry but from what I have seen he has been average at best, I think at his age he is better off taking a reduced role. I like what I have seen from Addison and the young guys can go. Let Jerry take less snaps and hopefully be more effective in certain situations.
K-9 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 Everyone should re-watch this game and count how many times Heinecke was forced off his spot in the pocket. I’m sure he had a clean pocket here and there, but I don’t recall many at all. The idea that sacks are the ultimate measuring stick for a D line’s success or not in a game is myopic. 1 2 2
Alphadawg7 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: Everyone should re-watch this game and count how many times Heinecke was forced off his spot in the pocket. I’m sure he had a clean pocket here and there, but I don’t recall many at all. The idea that sacks are the ultimate measuring stick for a D line’s success or not in a game is myopic. Yeah too many stat sheet checkers around here who apparently don’t pay attention in the live games. Our DL constantly made Heinieke uncomfortable and we dominated this game. The only reason they scored when the game was relevant was because of one screen and one ST mistake. Outside of that, our defense had their way with them and forced turnovers off the pressure they got on him too. 2 1
K-9 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah too many stat sheet checkers around here who apparently don’t pay attention in the live games. Our DL constantly made Heinieke uncomfortable and we dominated this game. The only reason they scored when the game was relevant was because of one screen and one ST mistake. Outside of that, our defense had their way with them and forced turnovers off the pressure they got on him too. I also tip my hat to Heinecke who made some athletic plays to get out of trouble. I like him; he’s a gamer who can move when he has to. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And he lost contain on the QB scramble for the touchdown. My instinct was they put him out there a little less after that. Would be interested to see the numbers because I felt like we got more Addison in the 2nd half. Addison had 48% of the snaps. AJ had 37%. 1
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Addison had 48% of the snaps. AJ had 37%. Thanks. I'd be particularly interested in knowing the split before the QB TD run and after. My instinct was it pretty even before and slanted towards the vet after.
Bob in STL Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, K-9 said: I also tip my hat to Heinecke who made some athletic plays to get out of trouble. I like him; he’s a gamer who can move when he has to. He avoided several sacks. He was a gamer for sure.
BADOLBILZ Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, K-9 said: Everyone should re-watch this game and count how many times Heinecke was forced off his spot in the pocket. I’m sure he had a clean pocket here and there, but I don’t recall many at all. The idea that sacks are the ultimate measuring stick for a D line’s success or not in a game is myopic. While it's true that you can get great pressure without sacks..............against Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady they will need to actually be able to get close enough to hit the QB on passing plays. Presumably they are one or both of the stumbling blocks to winning the SB this season.........and that's how you beat them. That's just common sense at this point......anyone arguing otherwise is a dope. The only additions they made to the defense were to address that deficiency............so trying to undersell the value of actually taking down the QB at this point is more than a bit off-key. Edited September 27, 2021 by BADOLBILZ
Alphadawg7 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, K-9 said: I also tip my hat to Heinecke who made some athletic plays to get out of trouble. I like him; he’s a gamer who can move when he has to. Agreed, he’s very athletic in that way and it’s best part of his game. He doesn’t have ideal arm strength, but the kid has some potential. Plus, I heard from Nick Wright he is even better than Josh Allen 🤣 Edited September 27, 2021 by Alphadawg7
K-9 Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: While it's true that you can get great pressure without sacks..............against Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady they will need to actually be able to get close enough to hit the QB on passing plays. Presumably they are one or both of the stumbling blocks to winning the SB this season.........and that's how you beat them. That's just common sense at this point......anyone arguing otherwise is a dope. The only additions they made to the defense were to address that deficiency............so trying to undersell the value of actually taking down the QB at this point is more than a bit off-key. The rest of your completely irrelevant and typical bloviation aside, the only people underselling any aspect of D line play are those whose only measurement of effective D line play is the number of sacks they get in a game. As if forcing a QB off his mark, into hurries, incompletions or interceptions just doesn't matter somehow without them. Such a laughable misunderstanding of the game. 1
Saxum Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Loved Rousseau's game today that's exactly what the DEs were doing and he was very disciplined and did some good things keeping Hienekie contained at times, when he thought he could get outside the pocket instead he had to be a lot more shifty in the pocket. Which he was but it led to some bad throws and the INTs It seemed to be a game plan designed to beat the Ravens. I know it really frustrated Lamar Jackson. 1
Rubes Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah too many stat sheet checkers around here who apparently don’t pay attention in the live games. Our DL constantly made Heinieke uncomfortable and we dominated this game. The only reason they scored when the game was relevant was because of one screen and one ST mistake. Outside of that, our defense had their way with them and forced turnovers off the pressure they got on him too. Overall, I thought the defense played well. I was hoping we would get to the QB a bit more than we did, more like previous weeks. I'm not a stat hound looking only for sacks, and Heinecke was forced to move around a lot, which is good. That said, McDermott seems to agree...
dorquemada Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rubes said: Overall, I thought the defense played well. I was hoping we would get to the QB a bit more than we did, more like previous weeks. I'm not a stat hound looking only for sacks, and Heinecke was forced to move around a lot, which is good. That said, McDermott seems to agree... Like the ancient saying goes, it's a shame we can't just play Miami every week 1
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