Bills aren't only team with stadium issues

[Buffalo716]

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/architects-fear-soldier-field-owners-cant-meet-bears-demands/ 

 

Bears were told they are not allowed to open betting spots on site even tho it's legal now 

 

Are supposedly looking into a stadium not in downtown Chicago... 

 

Making local politicians nervous... Soldier Field is the oldest stadium in the NFL

[dave mcbride]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/architects-fear-soldier-field-owners-cant-meet-bears-demands/ 

 

Bears were told they are not allowed to open betting spots on site even tho it's legal now 

 

Are supposedly looking into a stadium not in downtown Chicago... 

 

Making local politicians nervous... Soldier Field is the oldest stadium in the NFL

The new Soldier Field opened in 2002. It's not close to being the oldest stadium.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The new Soldier Field opened in 2002. It's not close to being the oldest stadium.

Is it brand new or just fully refurbished? 

 

Like they did to Lambo and arrowhead

 

I don't recall ever getting torn down and rebuilt... Just a massive upgrade

Edited September 23, 2021 by Buffalo716

[SF Bills Fan]

It's silly when a stadium that is relatively new gets deemed obsolete so quickly. Washington FC wants a new place. The Georgia Dome lasted 20 years and the dome in St Louis was already obsolete after 20 year and was a reason the Rams left. What happened to building something that lasts? I would hope that if the Bills get a $1.4 billion stadium, they are in it for 40-50 years. Heinz Field in Pittsburgh was a very low cost stadium and everyone is happy with that. Send someone to Pittsburgh to see what they did so well.

[BillsShredder83]

Good they should leave. Nobody deserves to live in Chicago... except the people already there. Build walls around it, with a one way door. In. Chicago doesn't deserve an NFL team, not even a perennial loser like the Bears. I don't care where they go - LA, Flint, MI, or Jacksonville to be crosstown rivals to the Jags, or fold all together. That team is neon green lipstick on a 3 day dead pig.

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Good they should leave. Nobody deserves to live in Chicago... except the people already there. Build walls around it, with a one way door. In. Chicago doesn't deserve an NFL team, not even a perennial loser like the Bears. I don't care where they go - LA, Flint, MI, or Jacksonville to be crosstown rivals to the Jags, or fold all together. That team is neon green lipstick on a 3 day dead pig.

 

But tell us how you really feel

[947]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The new Soldier Field opened in 2002. It's not close to being the oldest stadium.

It's the same stadium. The original Soldier Field is still intact, they just added $500M to it so that it looks like a giant spaceship landed on top of the original Soldier Field.

 

It still sucks, and the parking/tailgate situation is the worst in the NFL. I turn down free tickets every year because it's such a hassle.

[BillsShredder83]

4 minutes ago, Draconator said:

 

But tell us how you really feel

Lol I just think a crying Lightfoot would make for a snazzy logo for the new Arlington Heights football team

-Seacrest out

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, 947 said:

It's the same stadium. The original Soldier Field is still intact, they just added $500M to it so that it looks like a giant spaceship landed on top of the original Soldier Field.

 

It still sucks, and the parking/tailgate situation is the worst in the NFL. I turn down free tickets every year because it's such a hassle.

Yeah, I knew it was in the same space, but I thought it was basically new ($500 million was a lot in 2000 too). I've been to the old one and not the new one, so you'll know better than me.

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Is it brand new or just fully refurbished? 

 

Like they did to Lambo and arrowhead

 

I don't recall ever getting torn down and rebuilt... Just a massive upgrade

Yeah, that appears to be right. Lambeau's upgrade made it basically a new stadium.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Yeah, I knew it was in the same space, but I thought it was basically new ($500 million was a lot in 2000 too). I've been to the old one and not the new one, so you'll know better than me.

Yeah, that appears to be right. Lambeau's upgrade made it basically a new stadium.

And the bills paid $130 million to upgrade the Ralph with black paint

[Saxum]

9 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said:

It's silly when a stadium that is relatively new gets deemed obsolete so quickly. Washington FC wants a new place. The Georgia Dome lasted 20 years and the dome in St Louis was already obsolete after 20 year and was a reason the Rams left. What happened to building something that lasts? I would hope that if the Bills get a $1.4 billion stadium, they are in it for 40-50 years. Heinz Field in Pittsburgh was a very low cost stadium and everyone is happy with that. Send someone to Pittsburgh to see what they did so well.

 

I hope any stadium Erie County/NYS contributes to has a lease rent agreement that Bills need to pay back lease WITHOUT ability to pay it off early and leave.

Make it more economical for Bills to just borrow from NFL and have Erie County/NYS pay for infrastructure, traffic control, etc. 

Bills would collect any parking revenue, any events held there, etc.

Doubt parties will do what makes sense.

 

If they do this however and just drop "Buffalo" out of name since Buffalo has not contributed to keeping Bills.

6 minutes ago, 947 said:

It's the same stadium. The original Soldier Field is still intact, they just added $500M to it so that it looks like a giant spaceship landed on top of the original Soldier Field.

 

It still sucks, and the parking/tailgate situation is the worst in the NFL. I turn down free tickets every year because it's such a hassle.

 

Can't be as bad as WTF stadium where you can not even attend unless you pay either for parking or shuttle bus for "safety" (of $nyder's wallet).

[LabattBlue]

I am pretty sure except for those stupid columns at one end, Soldier Field was pretty much torn down and rebuilt. 

[msw2112]

The previous comment is correct.  More or less, the entirety of the old Soldier Field was razed.  All they kept were the columns and they built a brand new stadium inside the pillars.  It looks pretty bad - it looks like a spaceship landed inside the classic pillars.  The two styles just don't match architectually at all.  The accessiblity is difficult (on the lakefront, east of Lake Shore Drive, a very busy multi-lane (in both directions) "expressway" that separates the lakefront from the city.  There is limited parking and some if its ramps, so the tailgating is very limited.  Tickets are extremely expensive.  I used to live in Chicago and the only time I went to games were 1) if the Bills were in town or 2) I was offered free tickets AND the Bills were not playing at the same time.  I turned down free tickets to see the Bears at Sodier Field many times in favor of watching the Bills on TV.

 

It's still a classic venue and a good place to see an NFL game.  It would suck if they moved to Arlington Heights (a suburb) and would change the character of the franchise.  The spot they are considering is the site of Arlington Raceway and old, but nice/fun horse racing venune.

 

The Bears and Soldier Field aside, I don't get the hate for Chicago expressed by a poster a few posts up.  It's a great city.  Great people, fantastic architecture, great food, tons to do indoors and out, and the list goes on.  It's a world-class city, but has great neighborhoods and a midwestern type of feel.  Honestly, it's a lot like a bigger, more cosmopolitan Buffalo, and when I lived there, there was a huge community of Buffalo ex-pats who were friends and hung out to watch Bills games at a couple of bars, went to see the Bills and Sabres while in town, etc.  That is still the case.  The city has had its challenges with gun violence, protests, etc., but so have many other big cities.  I have spoken with my friends who still live there and visited there recently, and a lot of this has been overblown by the media.

 

And Marv still lives there, in my old neighborhood, where I ran into him a couple of times over the years and chatted a little bit about the Bills.

Edited September 23, 2021 by msw2112

[Buffalo716]

41 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

The previous comment is correct.  More or less, the entirety of the old Soldier Field was razed.  All they kept were the columns and they built a brand new stadium inside the pillars.  It looks pretty bad - it looks like a spaceship landed inside the classic pillars.  The two styles just don't match architectually at all.  The accessiblity is difficult (on the lakefront, east of Lake Shore Drive, a very busy multi-lane (in both directions) "expressway" that separates the lakefront from the city.  There is limited parking and some if its ramps, so the tailgating is very limited.  Tickets are extremely expensive.  I used to live in Chicago and the only time I went to games were 1) if the Bills were in town or 2) I was offered free tickets AND the Bills were not playing at the same time.  I turned down free tickets to see the Bears at Sodier Field many times in favor of watching the Bills on TV.

 

The Bears and Soldier Field aside, I don't get the hate for Chicago expressed by a poster a few posts up.  It's a great city.  Great people, fantastic architecture, great food, tons to do indoors and out, and the list goes on.  It's a world-class city, but has great neighborhoods and a midwestern type of feel.  Honestly, it's a lot like a bigger, more cosmopolitan Buffalo, and when I lived there, there was a huge community of Buffalo ex-pats who were friends and hung out to watch Bills games at a couple of bars, went to see the Bills and Sabres while in town, etc.  That is still the case.  The city has had its challenges with gun violence, protests, etc., but so have many other big cities.  I have spoken with my friends who still live there and visited there recently, and a lot of this has been overblown by the media.

 

And Marv still lives there, in my old neighborhood, where I ran into him a couple of times over the years and chatted a little bit about the Bills.

People like to hate on everything and anything

 

For what it's worth I've always thought Chicago was like a much bigger Buffalo as well... Buffalo has that Midwest type vibe opposed to a NYC or Boston vibe... Beautiful architecture , food etc  

 

Not to mention it's a Midwestern dialect we speak in Buffalo... Our vocabulary and lingo are all Midwest not new England or NYC

 

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Solomon Grundy]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Only in America can these billionaires demand public money.  Pay for it yourselves!! 

And their fair share of taxes!!

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/architects-fear-soldier-field-owners-cant-meet-bears-demands/ 

 

Bears were told they are not allowed to open betting spots on site even tho it's legal now 

 

Are supposedly looking into a stadium not in downtown Chicago... 

 

Making local politicians nervous... Soldier Field is the oldest stadium in the NFL

 

o,dest stadiums…

 

Chicago

 

 

green bay 

 

 

KC

buffalo

 ew orleans

 

miami 187

 

1995+ for others

 

 

[without a drought]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

And their fair share of taxes!!

Or at least some taxes.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Only in America can these billionaires demand public money.  Pay for it yourselves!! 

Oh brother 

They aren’t demanding public money. If you’re a Bills fan you better hope the cost is spread over as many people as possible or your ticket is going to cost a fortune! Terry and Kim don’t owe you a new stadium.

[Mr. WEO]

Breaking news?

 

 

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh brother 

They aren’t demanding public money. If you’re a Bills fan you better hope the cost is spread over as many people as possible or your ticket is going to cost a fortune! Terry and Kim don’t owe you a new stadium.

 

Say what?

[PromoTheRobot]

Just so everyone is clear, Soldier Field is 100% a new stadium, except for the old original facade. And yes, Chicago is a terrific city.

Edited September 24, 2021 by PromoTheRobot