Josh Allen - Cupping Therapy on Neck

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, Fortunesmith said:

Cupping is pseudoscience garbage. There is absolutely no empirical evidence it does anything of benefit. Placebo perhaps  

Totally false.  The only thing that gets rid of sub-cutaneous toxins faster than cupping is crystals and essential oils.  

 

I have some pamphlets you should read.  I just PMed you details for my next meeting.  Come learn how you can become your own boss and take the keys to your financial freedom.  

Edited September 23, 2021 by Jauronimo

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

Most people don’t realize what a bad doctor is until something non-traditional or scary happens to them or a loved one. 

 

I trust medicine and science, but doctors miss stuff sometimes. 

 

I went to a very highly recommended doctor (#7) regarding some ankle pain which was making it very hard to drive.

I have been to other doctors with various diagnoses and treatments and while some worked the relief was temporary.

He did an examination, less through than previous ones I went to, and told me my ankle was fine it was psychosomatic (all in my head).

 

I went to another doctor (#8) and he said I had planters fasciitis and by softening the foot muscle it would relieve the pain.

He put me in a hard boot and told me to see him in 6 weeks.

Within the first week I could barely walk and doctor said "We should not be getting results like that.  I will schedule you for a MRI."

MRI found a cyst size of a golf ball entangled with my ankle bones, tendons and blood vessels. 

I had it removed by a specialist at Mayo clinic (also lost my job; company would not get paid on contract so they had customer, US govt, change job description so they could let me go for "lack of work") and after surgery I had muscle control of ankle again.

 

Doctors are NOT scientists - they are artists and are speculating what issue may be based upon symptoms and tests.  Symptoms vary according patient physiology and body chemistry; tests they choose often are often restricted by medical insurance.  Most are not quacks like #7 (and I went to his office and told him so) and you need to sometimes just try a new one.  I have found some Asian medical treatment which works better than western medical treatment but which one is right for you varies just like for medical doctors.

 

[Captain Caveman]

11 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I'd guess the latter since they are required to report all injuries. 

 

Sure, and teams never ever fudge that.

 

Brady was hurt all last year without being on the report.  I feel like the Bills had a similar version of this 2-3 years ago with a defender (maybe Lorenzo Alexander?)

[IslandBillsFan]

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

 

Anyone questioning athletes trying unique things to extend a career needs to read about the TB12 method.  That guy sure seems to keep going.

[Mango]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I went to a very highly recommended doctor (#7) regarding some ankle pain which was making it very hard to drive.

I have been to other doctors with various diagnoses and treatments and while some worked the relief was temporary.

He did an examination, less through than previous ones I went to, and told me my ankle was fine it was psychosomatic (all in my head).

 

I went to another doctor (#8) and he said I had planters fasciitis and by softening the foot muscle it would relieve the pain.

He put me in a hard boot and told me to see him in 6 weeks.

Within the first week I could barely walk and doctor said "We should not be getting results like that.  I will schedule you for a MRI."

MRI found a cyst size of a golf ball entangled with my ankle bones, tendons and blood vessels. 

I had it removed by a specialist at Mayo clinic (also lost my job; company would not get paid on contract so they had customer, US govt, change job description so they could let me go for "lack of work") and after surgery I had muscle control of ankle again.

 

Doctors are NOT scientists - they are artists and are speculating what issue may be based upon symptoms and tests.  Symptoms vary according patient physiology and body chemistry; tests they choose often are often restricted by medical insurance.  Most are not quacks like #7 (and I went to his office and told him so) and you need to sometimes just try a new one.  I have found some Asian medical treatment which works better than western medical treatment but which one is right for you varies just like for medical doctors.

 

 

I fully agree with all of this. 
 

The psychosomatic/anxiety diagnosis is particularly frustrating.  I had one doctor call it “lazy doctoring”, along the lines of, “sometimes the body does things and we don’t know why, something like half the time. Most psychosomatic symptoms don’t start in the head, they start because something is wrong. “I don’t know why this is happening to you” is better than you can’t trust your brain”

[Fan in Chicago]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

Doctors are NOT scientists - they are artists and are speculating what issue may be based upon symptoms and tests.  Symptoms vary according patient physiology and body chemistry; tests they choose often are often restricted by medical insurance.  Most are not quacks like #7 (and I went to his office and told him so) and you need to sometimes just try a new one.  I have found some Asian medical treatment which works better than western medical treatment but which one is right for you varies just like for medical doctors.

 

If they are artists, they should be paid like one. And not like OJ Simpson's lawyers. 😐

[Xwnyer]

20 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

I deal with pain every day and I must admit I have never heard of cupping therapy

you need better PT folks mine also use dry needling

[Logic]

Six pages of discussion based off of one photo indicating that our quarterback may have gotten a pretty common form of physical therapy done.

Never change, Two Bills Drive.

[34-78-83]

This might be the oddest reach of a thread I've seen here and that's saying something!

[Apocalypse Nuts]

9 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Totally false.  The only thing that gets rid of sub-cutaneous toxins faster than cupping is crystals and essential oils.  

 

I have some pamphlets you should read.  I just PMed you details for my next meeting.  Come learn how you can become your own boss and take the keys to your financial freedom.  

It’s not a pyramid scheme.  It’s just a triangle.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

A lot of the players use it for recovery

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I am less concerned about a potential pain/injury and more concerned he has bought into "cupping therapy."

It isn't gunna hurt anything. And it might help you never know. Worst case scenario it's a small amount of wasted time. At this level finding a way to be 1% better consistently is the difference between good and great. I'm happy he's looking for every advantage he can get no matter how small

Attention. To. Detail.

6 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Let me answer this question as THE source with complete knowledge and insight about this subject... NO, it was a single individual

Link to source?

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

A lot of the players use it for recovery

 

Championship athletes in pretty large numbers across a ton of disciplines use cupping. Rallying against it like it is some feng shui  is silly. 

I get the sense that people mocking cupping are the type of people that pour vodka on a cut at home, even though the have neosporin in the bathroom...because tough guy.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Mango
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[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

It isn't gunna hurt anything. And it might help you never know. Worst case scenario it's a small amount of wasted time. At this level finding a way to be 1% better consistently is the difference between good and great. I'm happy he's looking for every advantage he can get no matter how small

Attention. To. Detail.

Link to source?

Ask and you shall receive...

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/26971-sherlock-holmes/

[first_and_ten]

On 9/23/2021 at 10:56 AM, Xwnyer said:

you need better PT folks mine also use dry needling

 

Did not know that one either🤔

On 9/22/2021 at 5:53 PM, 3rdand12 said:

Its a specific therapy used in healing and pain relief. One of my daughters uses it at her practice. look into it. It might help you with some of your ailments I hope

 

Can I ask what type of practice is your daughter in?

On 9/22/2021 at 3:49 PM, Nextmanup said:

It ranks right up there with the magical power of crystals and pyramids.

 

I.E., it's pseudo-science nonsense.

 

 

 

Thanks for your take on it. 

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

 

[IslandBillsFan]

I have to agree that it is psuedo science.  Not really hurting anything, just borderline a waste of time.  

 

Maybe I am wrong and cupping will turn out to be legit.  However, all studies by credible sources say it is not.  Going a step further, I've never seen it done by anyone in the medical field.  

 

I file it in the ranks of ear candles, acupuncture, chakras, black eye tape, rekee, chiropracty, etc...  

 

Just my two cents.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I have to agree that it is psuedo science.  Not really hurting anything, just borderline a waste of time.  

 

Maybe I am wrong and cupping will turn out to be legit.  However, all studies by credible sources say it is not.  Going a step further, I've never seen it done by anyone in the medical field.  

 

I file it in the ranks of ear candles, acupuncture, chakras, black eye tape, rekee, chiropracty, etc...  

 

Just my two cents.

 

My two cents say that your two cents are wrong.  I'm not into chakras and rarely one to be attracted to alternative medicine but I've tried "dry" (fire) cupping.  The effect was profound - it made my painful back feel so much better.

And my experience speaks to the very heart of empirical science.  Test something.  Can you see/taste/hear/feel/smell a result?  That's empiricism.  I employed the empirical method and found that fire cupping works at alleviating pain.  

 

And, actually, this should be no surprise.  Dry cupping involves fire near your skin.  The effectiveness of heat therapy for muscle pain is well established.  Maybe the vacuum effect helps in some way too - I don't know.

 

You say that "all studies by credible sources" say cupping isn't legit.  This is emphatically not true.   I would think, for example, that the Berlin Hospital is a legit source.  They published a peer reviewed study in a medical journal that concluded wet cupping resulted in a "highly significant decrease" in pain in patients suffering from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.  

 

American Pain Society. "Cupping Therapy Alleviates Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Pain." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 25 June 2009. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616190512.htm>.

 

Here's what the Harvard Health Review had to say about cupping:

 

"Does cupping work?  A number of studies have examined this question, but unfortunately don’t seem to have  convincingly answered it. In fact, a 2015 review of the evidence found that cupping might provide some relief for chronic neck or back pain, but that the quality of the evidence was too limited to draw firm conclusions."

 

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-exactly-is-cupping-2016093010402

 

My guess is that as more and better studies are done, dry/hot cupping will be found to be effective at pain relief.  

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdand12]

14 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

My two cents say that your two cents are wrong.  I'm not into chakras and rarely one to be attracted to alternative medicine but I've tried "dry" (fire) cupping.  The effect was profound - it made my painful back feel so much better.

And my experience speaks to the very heart of empirical science.  Test something.  Can you see/taste/hear/feel/smell a result?  That's empiricism.  I employed the empirical method and found that fire cupping works at alleviating pain.  

 

And, actually, this should be no surprise.  Dry cupping involves fire near your skin.  The effectiveness of heat therapy for muscle pain is well established.  Maybe the vacuum effect helps in some way too - I don't know.

 

You say that "all studies by credible sources" say cupping isn't legit.  This is emphatically not true.   I would think, for example, that the Berlin Hospital is a legit source.  They published a peer reviewed study in a medical journal that concluded wet cupping resulted in a "highly significant decrease" in pain in patients suffering from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.  

 

American Pain Society. "Cupping Therapy Alleviates Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Pain." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 25 June 2009. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616190512.htm>.

 

Here's what the Harvard Health Review had to say about cupping:

 

"Does cupping work?  A number of studies have examined this question, but unfortunately don’t seem to have  convincingly answered it. In fact, a 2015 review of the evidence found that cupping might provide some relief for chronic neck or back pain, but that the quality of the evidence was too limited to draw firm conclusions."

 

www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-exactly-is-cupping-2016093010402

 

My guess is that as more and better studies are done, dry/hot cupping will be found to be effective at pain relief.  

 

 

 

 

 

My experience has been to try multiple disciplines employed by Qualified and licensed Practitioners.
There is a reason some of the methods are thousand of years old.
And to point. Look into how much money and effort it takes to become a Licensed certified Acupuncturist. And that is if you get accepted !

 Personal experience from a skeptic (me) has opened my mind about methods of healing and maintaining health. I have 3 daughters and the Eldest one is a Oncology Nurse at one of local hospitals. Each of them use  different techniques and methods to heal.
 Some of our get togethers get pretty interesting when they start comparing notes.

 Cupping might be part of holistic regimen for Josh to remain healthy
and we want Josh to never come off the field now do we ? And always be 110% of the Josh he can be

   lol

 

Go Bills

 

17 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

I have to agree that it is psuedo science.  Not really hurting anything, just borderline a waste of time.  

 

Maybe I am wrong and cupping will turn out to be legit.  However, all studies by credible sources say it is not.  Going a step further, I've never seen it done by anyone in the medical field.  

 

I file it in the ranks of ear candles, acupuncture, chakras, black eye tape, rekee, chiropracty, etc...  

 

Just my two cents.

I respect your opinion/experience 

Go Bills