Debt Ceiling Nonsense

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well thought out, but I’ll offer this. The Constitution already describes what government is supposed to do and American taxpayers already have a tax policy in place. How about our elected officials just stop spending!!!! Done.

If I were ever elected President, I would figure out what percentage of the debt each state owns, and which congressional district within each state owns, then tell the respective Senator and Congressperson they have two months to give me a plan to cut spending by 50% of what they owe.  And if they don’t do it then I decide the cuts.  I’d cut the executive branch budget by 50%.  No more Air Force One, no state dinners, cut half the Cabinet departments.  

A budget would be written, and until accepted I’d veto every bill that came to my desk.

[All_Pro_Bills]

25 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If I were ever elected President, I would figure out what percentage of the debt each state owns, and which congressional district within each state owns, then tell the respective Senator and Congressperson they have two months to give me a plan to cut spending by 50% of what they owe.  And if they don’t do it then I decide the cuts.  I’d cut the executive branch budget by 50%.  No more Air Force One, no state dinners, cut half the Cabinet departments.  

A budget would be written, and until accepted I’d veto every bill that came to my desk.

The Deep State Establishment and the perpetual bureaucracy would insist you were a Russian asset, turn law enforcement and intelligence assets inside the government against you, plant false stories in the media which their agents in the press would run with 24/7, and hold hearings to uncover your misdeeds and the threat you posed to America. 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

So did those tax cuts lower the national debt ?  

 

No.

 

and neither will a 3.5 trillion giveaway...............as you are aware

 

foolish comparison.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

56 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If I were ever elected President, I would figure out what percentage of the debt each state owns, and which congressional district within each state owns, then tell the respective Senator and Congressperson they have two months to give me a plan to cut spending by 50% of what they owe.  And if they don’t do it then I decide the cuts.  I’d cut the executive branch budget by 50%.  No more Air Force One, no state dinners, cut half the Cabinet departments.  

A budget would be written, and until accepted I’d veto every bill that came to my desk.

You’ve got my vote

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

16 hours ago, ALF said:

Tax cut for rich under W Bush $1.5T ,  tax cut for rich under Trump $1.9T = $3.4T , did that help the average person ?

 

I did not include the Reagan tax cut

Yes! I was making less than average hhi at the time of the bush cuts and it helped me quite a bit at the time make ends meet. 
 

Trump was nearly a wash for me because the SALT cap just shifted where taxes went and but my hhi is a lot different now. My family members closer to average hhi claimed to benefit but I do not know. 

Also just To make sure we are looking at the entire political spectrum, In 1997, Clinton signed a reduction in the capital gains tax rate to 20% from 28%.  Did that help the average person? 
 

is that more the type of average Joe tax cut    That liberals can get behind? 

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Deep State Establishment and the perpetual bureaucracy would insist you were a Russian asset, turn law enforcement and intelligence assets inside the government against you, plant false stories in the media which their agents in the press would run with 24/7, and hold hearings to uncover your misdeeds and the threat you posed to America. 

Let them

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

You’ve got my vote

We need 537 people to step up, one in each congressional seat, one for each senate seat, and the president and Vice President.  All who hold no allegiance to the extreme of either political party.  537 people who may be conservative on some issues, maybe more liberal on others, but willing to actually sit, deliberate, compromise and eventually pass legislation.  537 people interested in getting things done vs. playing cheap politics.  I am convinced the majority of the people in this country fit into this model.

 

For me you can start with a balanced budget amendment, term limits, and voting rights legislation.

[T master]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

We are not screwed at all. That's part of the BS of all this. People screaming the sky is falling because we spend money. Blah blah 

 

That's right just keep printing it as much as you need while the interest can't & will never be paid back let alone the principle but hey what the hell as long as you can print money every thing will be just fine WTF .

 

I'm so glad i don't follow these leaders or believe them like you do maybe that's why my mortgage will be PAID OFF next week 24 yrs before it's due to be .

 

And your probably in debt up to your a**  & your check book probably looks like the one the gov't is in charge because you just keep on borrowing & spending and is why you blindly follow and believe everything they say and do because you follow their example . 

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

If I were ever elected President, I would figure out what percentage of the debt each state owns, and which congressional district within each state owns, then tell the respective Senator and Congressperson they have two months to give me a plan to cut spending by 50% of what they owe.  And if they don’t do it then I decide the cuts.  I’d cut the executive branch budget by 50%.  No more Air Force One, no state dinners, cut half the Cabinet departments.  

A budget would be written, and until accepted I’d veto every bill that came to my desk.

I appreciate the sentiment...but they have to learn how to crawl before they can run.  So, I'd say that they cannot increase spending beyond the projected tax revenues.  In other words, just like EVERYONE does at home.  No need to cut anything, yet, just service the debt, pay for the common defense, etc.

[oldmanfan]

32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I appreciate the sentiment...but they have to learn how to crawl before they can run.  So, I'd say that they cannot increase spending beyond the projected tax revenues.  In other words, just like EVERYONE does at home.  No need to cut anything, yet, just service the debt, pay for the common defense, etc.

Spot on brother.  

[ALF]

15 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

No.

 

and neither will a 3.5 trillion giveaway...............as you are aware

 

foolish comparison.

 

 

 

$3.5T was never going to to pass even with tax increase to cover it as you are aware.

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, ALF said:

 

$3.5T was never going to to pass even with tax increase to cover it as you are aware.

What a country! You gather a couple hundred numbskulls in a room on the east coast and they dream up a grab bag of nonsense they want to buy for Christmas. Then, when they realize they have NO MONEY, they turn to the American people and say “we need a whole bunch of YOUR money to buy all this crazy stuff we dreamed up”.  Ya gotta love it. 

[ALF]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What a country! You gather a couple hundred numbskulls in a room on the east coast and they dream up a grab bag of nonsense they want to buy for Christmas. Then, when they realize they have NO MONEY, they turn to the American people and say “we need a whole bunch of YOUR money to buy all this crazy stuff we dreamed up”.  Ya gotta love it. 

 

The squad are nut cases , I do like Manchin

[oldmanfan]

Schumer needs to just tell the American people that all on his side are voting for it, none on the other side, and that he can't force them to vote for it.  Then let the debt collapse and people can decide who they want to blame.

[BillStime]

28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What a country! You gather a couple hundred numbskulls in a room on the east coast and they dream up a grab bag of nonsense they want to buy for Christmas. Then, when they realize they have NO MONEY, they turn to the American people and say “we need a whole bunch of YOUR money to buy all this crazy stuff we dreamed up”.  Ya gotta love it. 

Gotta love it - NO MONEY???? How the F did we afford a tax cut for the rich?

 

Dine n dash tRump style

 

 

Idiots 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Gotta love it - NO MONEY???? How the F did we afford a tax cut for the rich?

 

Dine n dash tRump style

 

 

Idiots 

It’s not a tax cut you idiot

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s not a tax cut you idiot

Your “conservative” prize aka Jesus Trump racked up how much debt and the GQP fks don’t want to pay - really?

 

Trump, who promised a middle class tax cut - which was just two weeks away just like health care and infrastructure - DREAMED UP and McConnell passed a ginormous tax cut to the top 1%- and then - the cult is like:
 

“Then, when they realize they have NO MONEY, they turn to the American people and say “we need a whole bunch of YOUR money to buy all this crazy stuff we dreamed up”.  Ya gotta love it.”

Idiots - freakn idiots.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Your “conservative” prize aka Jesus Trump racked up how much debt and the GQP fks don’t want to pay - really?

 

Trump, who promised a middle class tax cut - which was just two weeks away just like health care and infrastructure - DREAMED UP and McConnell passed a ginormous tax cut to the top 1%- and then - the cult is like:
 

“Then, when they realize they have NO MONEY, they turn to the American people and say “we need a whole bunch of YOUR money to buy all this crazy stuff we dreamed up”.  Ya gotta love it.”

Idiots - freakn idiots.

Next time you say WE can afford something first ask if YOU are the one paying for it. If what you really mean is YOU want ME to pay for it….STFU!

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Next time you say WE can afford something first ask if YOU are the one paying for it. If what you really mean is YOU want ME to pay for it….STFU!

Did you ask if we could afford Trump’s tax cut? The Trump wall? Trumps hundreds and hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Trump properties and non stop golfing at his private resorts?

 

Oh no - you didn’t?  Of course not.

 

But YOU are paying for it - we all are - but not the top 1%.

 

Trumpholes 247365

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Did you ask if we could afford Trump’s tax cut? The Trump wall? Trumps hundreds and hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Trump properties and non stop golfing at his private resorts?

 

Oh no - you didn’t?  Of course not.

 

But YOU are paying for it - we all are - but not the top 1%.

 

Trumpholes 247365

 

 

 

But its perfectly okay for you to do the flip-flop pointing out the fiscal excesses of the previous administration but now be wildly in support of trillions in wasteful spending because the other party is currently in charge now?  If so perhaps you refuse to see it but you are guilty of the same ideological inconsistencies as the people you soundly criticize.  Or am I reading you wrong and you're against all these trillions in new spending and fiscal excesses regardless of which party is in control?  If you do indeed oppose both I apologize.