Niagara Bill Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 WTF. Josh plays only slightly above average, a few fairweather fans panic and and it turns into a roasting of the greatest leader this franchise ever had. Winning in the NFL is hard, week after week. JK won more than his share and when he was not perfect his teammates like Thurman and Andre were. Josh will too, if Diggs, Davis, Devin do their part.
Protocal69 Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) Josh didnt have his best game but in the 2nd half 3 out 5 2nd half possessions ended in a TD and the 1 possesion of which was the knell down so it was basically 3 out of 4 ended in a TD. Like I said in a previous post I think Josh found his groove in the 4th quarter and I expect a bounce back game from him on Sunday. Edited September 22, 2021 by Protocal69
K-9 Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, PonyBoy said: Playing Devil's advocate here. Jim Kelly never made $250,000,000 during a contract. With the money comes the heat, fair or not. Kelly was the highest paid player in the league at one time, but how much a player is paid has nothing to do with anything on the field.
Big Turk Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 I remember that the Patriots who were dreadful used to give those teams fits at least one game a year and actually beat us a time or two... But the scores were ugly a lot of times...10-7, 13-10, etc..
cwater10 Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: The Bills hadn’t won the division yet when they lost this game. In fact, they had to wait until the final Sunday to beat the Jets to win the division. Not looking to nitpick, but this is not accurate. The 1988 Bills clinched the division by beating the Jets in mid November, week 12 before Thanksgiving in a very memorable, goal post tearing down event in rain and fog... It was such a glorious moment in Bills history, couldn't let it pass unmentioned. The loss to the Bucs, however DID cost them home field vs Bengals in AFC Championship Game. But to the OP point, yes.. JK had horrible moments and slumps. He was often horrible and great, all within the same game, or even half. Josh will be fine! Edited September 22, 2021 by cwater10
zevo Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 I agree with the OP, josh clearly hasn't had the success this year that he had last year but man people are quick to jump off the hype train.
Matt_In_NH Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Kelly had a higher career INT rate than Fitzy... That is irrelevant, the game as a whole has changed a lot.
Royale with Cheese Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, PonyBoy said: Playing Devil's advocate here. Jim Kelly never made $250,000,000 during a contract. With the money comes the heat, fair or not. Jim Kelly at one point was the highest paid QB in the league.
Mr. WEO Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, mattynh said: That is irrelevant, the game as a whole has changed a lot. There's more passing now, not less. And Fitz, a guy who gets hammered for not being careful with the ball, still has fewer INTs per drop back than Kelly. In the early 90's there were about 550-600 INTS per year. Now it's about 500-675. Not a significant difference.
Ned Flanders Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Dopey said: Didn't read the op's post, but the title made me think we were talking mistresses on the side. By the title, I thought it could have been hemorrhoids... 2
BillsFan619 Posted September 22, 2021 Author Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: WTF. Josh plays only slightly above average, a few fairweather fans panic and and it turns into a roasting of the greatest leader this franchise ever had. Winning in the NFL is hard, week after week. JK won more than his share and when he was not perfect his teammates like Thurman and Andre were. Josh will too, if Diggs, Davis, Devin do their part. For clarity, JK is my favorite player of all time. I wasn’t roasting him. I was sharing that even him, one of the best we’ve ever had, had slumps just like JA is facing now. 1
Matt_In_NH Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: There's more passing now, not less. And Fitz, a guy who gets hammered for not being careful with the ball, still has fewer INTs per drop back than Kelly. In the early 90's there were about 550-600 INTS per year. Now it's about 500-675. Not a significant difference. but you referenced a TD:INT ratio so to compare over generations we will also need TD's in the 90s vs today, and you will see a very significant difference I think.
corta765 Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 I was soo hoping as a Star Wars nerd this was going to end with Jim Kelly (and others) had the force too! 1
Mr. WEO Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, mattynh said: but you referenced a TD:INT ratio so to compare over generations we will also need TD's in the 90s vs today, and you will see a very significant difference I think. Nope: 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Kelly had a higher career INT rate than Fitzy... 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: There's more passing now, not less. And Fitz, a guy who gets hammered for not being careful with the ball, still has fewer INTs per drop back than Kelly. In the early 90's there were about 550-600 INTS per year. Now it's about 500-675. Not a significant difference. 1
TheBrownBear Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 I agree with the OP. We act like Josh Allen should look like last year's San Francisco game every week. Go look at Aaron Rodgers last 8 games of 2019. He had 1 game with a passer rating over 100 and not a single 300 yard passing game (in fact, 3 sub-200 yard games) during that stretch. He's had similar stretches through his career and most of the other GOAT QBs have as well. The only guys who probably avoided extended stretches of bad play during their primes were Peyton, Brady and (for now) Mahomes. Josh will figure it out and get back on track. He's too naturally gifted, smart and hardworking not to, imo. 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 I am very confident Josh will be fine. He has the tools to be great and he has always been my number one choice from that draft class. But for all of those posters that think just because he was great last year it is a certainty he will be great again, go check out Derek Anderson's career after his 2007 one year wonder with Cleveland.
Nihilarian Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I am very confident Josh will be fine. He has the tools to be great and he has always been my number one choice from that draft class. But for all of those posters that think just because he was great last year it is a certainty he will be great again, go check out Derek Anderson's career after his 2007 one year wonder with Cleveland. I agree Besides, the Bills just faced two very good defenses. Defenses have caught up to what Buffalo have been doing on offense and countering it. There are also other considerations. The league allowed more holding by the lines last season in my view... that they aren't allowing this year. Brian Daboll and his game plans haven't been as good since last seasons Miami game. The Colts, Ravens playoff games. The Bills offense scored only 10 points against the Ravens all game and for whatever reason Baltimore chose not to blitz like they had in past games. The Chiefs drew up a game plan in last seasons AFC Championship game to counter the Bills offense and Pittsburgh simply followed suit. Then you have the Bills starters only played together for 2 quarters all preseason. Allen is targeting Sanders a lot in each game and he simply isn't catching everything like Brown used to do. 8 targets, 4 receptions. 6 targets, 2 receptions. Sanders saw 77% of the snaps in the Miami game and Beas only saw 60%. Diggs 78%. The Bills have two games to get it together in facing Washington and Houston. Then they face KC & Tenn. Hopefully it's just the offense now showing everything it has before those big games. All this QB under a microscope stuff is lame IMHO.
Nextmanup Posted September 22, 2021 Posted September 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Is it possible to criticize a players performance and not jump off the bandwagon? I don't understand why pointing out Allen or any player/coach has performed poorly is some knock on our fan loyalty. It's just the truth. Do you think completing 17 or 33 passes is a good game? I actually didn't think the INT was a terrible throw. It was not great but it was also a great play by a top 3 DB. However the deep ball to Diggs was a terrible throw that Diggs bailed him out. In week one he misses Sanders by five yards and in week two he underthrew the ball to Diggs by five yards at least. He has to play better. I want a SB win. Nothing else matters at this point. And if they are to win the SB Allen has got to be as he was in 2020. That is not jumping off some proverbial bandwagon. Its an observation and an opinion that does not in any way diminish my loyalty to a team I follow from 2800 miles away. I like the cut of your jib. I wish I could buy you a beer.
BillsFan619 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Posted September 23, 2021 18 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: You don't put a season like 2020 together and then all of a sudden forget how to play QB. Josh hasn't been awful but when compared to last season he is coming up short. I'd sooner give credit to the defensive adjustments teams have made to make his play less effective. Remember, they're pros and get paid as well. I have no doubt once he gets his anxiousness under control and stops trying to justify his contract on every throw he'll be fine. Their others to blame as well on offense, not just Josh. Daboll's playcalling has been a little head scratching and the O Line play has been less than stellar. Bro, that’s a great point. Like you said, you don’t have as great of a season as he had and then forget how to play QB.
BillsFan619 Posted September 24, 2021 Author Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/22/2021 at 6:29 AM, Royale with Cheese said: Jim Kelly at one point was the highest paid QB in the league. You’re right, Royale! The contract was so little compared to today’s money. In 1986 he signed a 5 year deal for $7.5M. Not per year, $7.5M was the total. WOW! Crazy, huh?
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