"If Allen Plays Like Crap This Week, Accept that He's Simply Not Good

[Steel City Mafia]

 YIKES 

[TwistofFate]

I was spoiled last year and this year has me questioning my position.  I'm not throwing in the towel yet, I need at least half a season of mediocre play to justify a fluke season last year, but I pray he doesn't revert to historic numbers.

 

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Did some digging and in 2019, Josh was playing slightly better through his first two games than this year...

 

First two games 2019  Jets/Giants - 43/67   64%    507yrds     2 Pass Tds     2 Rush Tds       2 Int      2 Fum 

 

First two games 2021   Steelers/Dolphins- 47/84   56%    449yrds    3 Pass Tds     0 Rush Tds       1 Int      2 Fum

 

Small subset but for those looking for a visual comparison

Edited September 22, 2021 by BIGFOOTspaceman

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Steel City Mafia said:

 YIKES 

 

Wow.

 

This certainly helps to dispel the “receivers are being blanketed” narrative that some have adopted. That’s a sure TD Josh missed.

[Norcalbillsfan]

Everyone panicking after josh starts the year against two of the most elite secondaries in the NFL with his o line playing like jv high schoolers. Meanwhile lamar throws 3 picks, overthrows receivers all night but beats the chiefs and he's back to mvp talk 😆 

[Peace Frog]

 

On 9/20/2021 at 10:13 AM, FilthyBeast said:

 

Agree, if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good and behind closed doors in Orchard Park there will be serious buyers remorse knowing that he had a fluke year during the weird fanless covid year.

 

Washington has a good dline and but has struggled mightily overall and is lucky to be 1-1 right now. And even if they were a top defense Allen played extremely well against many top 10 defenses last year and has to show that again given his contract. Really hope he can turn it around and come out firing.

 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Peace Frog

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Wow.

 

This certainly helps to dispel the “receivers are being blanketed” narrative that some have adopted. That’s a sure TD Josh missed.

 

The right play there is pump fake to McKenzie and cash in the TD to Sanders. 

 

Here's what I don't get, the need to look at a bad play or a bad game and define Allen's future by it. 

 

I don't want the Bills to lose many more games this year, but regression to start the season is neither determinative of the future nor necessarily a bad thing. Regression can be the motivating factor to grow beyond where a player was before. 

 

This whole "you are what you are" fallacy is some crap that Dennis Green screamed about after blowing a game badly.

 

You are what you do, and what you do in the future is not defined by the past.

 

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Motorin'

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, ngbills said:

So your saying if our OL does not get better we are in for a long disappointing season? 

 

I would rather believe JA is going to figure this out. The OL is mostly what it is but may play slightly better. But JA will be the catalyst to get this offense right. 

I don’t disagree with that, I was more objecting to the amount of blame you’ve previously put on just Josh.  End of the day, he’s been under constant duress and pressure both games against 2 stout defenses on a consistent basis.  
 

It’s literally the worst I’ve seen this group play in terms of pass protection and disciplined play.  
 

Im not worried at all about Josh, but I am concerned about our OL right now.  Come playoffs, defense plays a big role and if our OL is hot garbage it’s going to put a lot of pressure on Allen and our own defense if we can’t sustain drives due to dumb penalties or blown up pass protection.  
 

Josh has a tendency to press too much and try and put the team on his back when that’s going on, and that’s not when Josh is most effective.  OL is gonna have to get their s**t together so our offense can find their groove and rhythm.  

Edited September 22, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

I was spoiled last year and this year has me questioning my position.  I'm not throwing in the towel yet, I need at least half a season of mediocre play to justify a fluke season last year, but I pray he doesn't revert to historic numbers.

 

 

That pretty much sums it up for me too. I'd be lying if I said I'm not concerned. For me what's the most concerning is his poor footwork and mechanics, inaccuracy, lack of vision, and jitterness in the pocket. His sprinkling in a few good throws doesn't overshadow the negatives listed above. Please Allen be 75% of what you were last year.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, rayray808 said:

Please don't share this outside of this chat... but my cousin did a deep dive on all of this and said Josh Allen will be just fine

 

Did he tell you that on his way to a high level meeting?  And what kind of car does he drive?

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I don’t disagree with that, I was more objecting to the amount of blame you’ve previously put on just Josh.  End of the day, he’s been under constant duress and pressure both games against 2 stout defenses on a consistent basis.  
 

It’s literally the worst I’ve seen this group play in terms of pass protection and disciplined play.  
 

Im not worried at all about Josh, but I am concerned about our OL right now.  Come playoffs, defense plays a big role and if our OL is hot garbage it’s going to put a lot of pressure on Allen and our own defense if we can’t sustain drives due to dumb penalties or blown up pass protection.  
 

Josh has a tendency to press too much and try and put the team on his back when that’s going on, and that’s not when Josh is most effective.  OL is gonna have to get their s**t together so our offense can find their groove and rhythm.  

 

It is interesting.

 

The first game Daboll has Allen pissing into the wind by using mostly empty sets and basically telling Pittsburgh "we know you are only rushing four and have everyone else in coverage, but we are going to try to pass into that double and triple coverage any ways while your dline has the luxury of pinning their ears back rushing Allen because they don't have to worry about gap responsibility and stopping runs.

 

The result was predictably horrible.

 

TBD was awash with cries for Daboll's and Allen's  head on a pike. "Why don't they run more, why doesn't Allen check down and take what defenses are giving??

 

So they go into Miami and feature far more 11 personnel and even some 21 personnel with our fullback getting some touches. 

 

We ran the ball, Allen took what the defense was giving and threw it away often when nothing was there. We hung over 30 points on the fins and yet out come a lot of the same posters with the whole Josh is regressing thing.

 

Now in a clean pocket with time to step into a throw if Allen misses that is on him and there have been some of those. But more often than not there has been a jailbreak somewhere after each snap that has Allen pulling down the ball and having to throw on the run off platform or reset and miss route windows.

 

The o-line as a unit needs to be committed to keeping Allen more clean and we need to stay committed to running the ball to tap the brakes on opponent pass rushers and test those lighter boxes.

 

It is all about winning, there are no style points.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

He is missing throws.

 

The clip above shows him throwing off the back foot again. He bails out on the throw, turns his shoulder like he’s about to get hit.

Protection isn’t great on the play, but like Warner pointed out in the Pittsburgh film, he’s not seeing open players right now. 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[PatsFanNH]

Wow! Bills are 1-1 and just came off a dominating 35-0 win of the Dolphins and you guys have THIS going on. Lmao Allen will be fine, he is probably just getting the rust off since he didn’t play much in the preseason.  But damn I thought my fan base had a bunch of contrarians, Buffalo has us beat on that too.

 

 

[PolishDave]

9 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Wow! Bills are 1-1 and just came off a dominating 35-0 win of the Dolphins and you guys have THIS going on. Lmao Allen will be fine, he is probably just getting the rust off since he didn’t play much in the preseason.  But damn I thought my fan base had a bunch of contrarians, Buffalo has us beat on that too.

 

No.  Your fan base is a bunch of Nancy's.   Entitled pricks.   You think your ***** doesn't stink?

 

The last thing you should ever say about the Bills fan base is anything other than how impressive our football knowledge is and how much we love our team.

 

Your team sucks now.    And there is little happening in the NFL that pleases me more than to see that and get to say it to one of you Patriot fan dill holes.

 

Enjoy another losing season.   There's always next year.  lol

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

Incredible overeaction.

 

Allen was uneven in the games, yet in each game he had drives where he was brilliant and on target.

 

For some they will just never be happy unless that stat line reads from Madden; 300 yards 3 TDs no Ints. 

 

I'll take Ws instead.

 

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I think the timing of Josh’s mediocrity plays a big factor here. Poor games randomly placed in season surrounded by MVP type performances?  Just a bad day at the office. Two poor games to begin the season?  Alarm bells sound immediately. 

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Did some digging and in 2019, Josh was playing slightly better through his first two games than this year...

 

First two games 2019  Jets/Giants - 43/67   64%    507yrds     2 Pass Tds     2 Rush Tds       2 Int      2 Fum 

 

First two games 2021   Steelers/Dolphins- 47/84   56%    449yrds    3 Pass Tds     0 Rush Tds       1 Int      2 Fum

 

Small subset but for those looking for a visual comparison

This is misleading. First, Pittsburgh & Miami will very likely have much better records then the Jets & Giants did in 2019. And for sure the Dolphins/Steeler's both have much better defenses.

 

When listing fumbles you should only list fumbles lost.  After two games Allen has lost only one fumble compared to his losing two fumbles in the first two games of 2019.  So through two games in 2021 Allen has one turnover.  Through the first two games in 2019 Allen had four turnovers.

 

While the stat board shows that Allen doesn't have a rush TD this season we all know that if the game was close he easily scores a TD on that last run against Miami.  It was smart of him to go down after he got the 1st down rather then taking a nasty hit as he crossed the goal line.

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I think the timing of Josh’s mediocrity plays a big factor here. Poor games randomly placed in season surrounded by MVP type performances?  Just a bad day at the office. Two poor games to begin the season?  Alarm bells sound immediately. 

Why is that? I posted stats showing how terrible Jim Kelly was through the first THREE games of the 1988 season.  If anything having mediocre early season games is better then going into a slump in the 2nd half of the season.  Remember how Russel Wilson was everyone's MVP after he got off to a torrid start last yaer?  How did it end up for Wilson?

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Wow.

 

This certainly helps to dispel the “receivers are being blanketed” narrative that some have adopted. That’s a sure TD Josh missed.

Do you watch football much?  Every week the best QB's miss seeing wide open receivers. Looking at every Allen pass then taking the ones he looks bad at to make a point is the very definition of cherry picking. And just because Allen missed seeing a wide open WR on THIS play doesn't negate the fact that the receivers do not seem to be consistently getting separation.

 

So I'll do some cherry picking to.  Allen's TD pass to Diggs in the 1st quarter was spectacular.  Only a couple of QB's could make that throw.  And I still don't know how he saw Diggs open in the first place.  That was huge for early game momentum as it was a 3rd down and the Bills have to settle for a FG if he doesn't make that throw.  14 -0 is a lot better then 10 -0.

 

The replay you're pointing to, where Allen didn't see a wide open receiver, was just a lost down & missed opportunity.  The Bills still want on and scored a TD that drive.  So my cherry picked throw had a much bigger impact on the game then the one you site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Everyone panicking after josh starts the year against two of the most elite secondaries in the NFL with his o line playing like jv high schoolers. Meanwhile lamar throws 3 picks, overthrows receivers all night but beats the chiefs and he's back to mvp talk 😆 

And don't forget that in the loss to the Raiders Jackson lost a fumble in the 4th quarter and another in OT which directly resulted in the Ravens loss.  Yet we don't here long lectures of "ball security" when Lamar is being talked about.

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Wow.

 

This certainly helps to dispel the “receivers are being blanketed” narrative that some have adopted. That’s a sure TD Josh missed.

 

Honestly if its me i throw it to knox.  He would get that first down if you throw it right out of the break.