DrDawkinstein Posted September 20, 2021 Author Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, TH3 said: Didn't he get roasted for going for it last week with a super aggressive 4 and 1 play that lost 5 yards? Going for it wasnt the issue there. The issue there was not utilizing Josh's size on a simple QB sneak. 1
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: 1:00 left, 4th and 1... Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")? Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose. We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1. I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense. Any coach who decides to give Mahomes another chance (in that situation) deserves the loss and deserves to be fired. 2
Malazan Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: 1:00 left, 4th and 1... Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")? Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose. We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1. I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense. Seemed like a stupid bit of showmanship there. They were going for it before he asked him.
DrDawkinstein Posted September 20, 2021 Author Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Seemed like a stupid bit of showmanship there. They were going for it before he asked him. I dont think Harbaugh would know the cameras were on him. I think it was more a coaching tactic to steel Lamar's reserve that it was "his call, so go get it"! 1
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont think Harbaugh would know the cameras were on him. I think it was more a coaching tactic to steel Lamar's reserve that it was "his call, so go get it"! That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. 2
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Any coach who decides to give Mahomes another chance (in that situation) deserves the loss and deserves to be fired. 100% agree with you. The best way to beat the Chiefs is to keep Mahomes on the bench. That is about the only place he can't score from. When playing the Chiefs, (or Brady) the best defense is a steady time consuming offense. Just now, GunnerBill said: That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. That almost sounds like good coaching!
BuffaloMatt Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 As long as it's not the lateral play.
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. I feel like you're calling Lamar ... "simple." 1 1
djp14150 Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: 1:00 left, 4th and 1... Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")? Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose. We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1. I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense. it’s a gut feeling based 1 how many zero/ negative runs have you had on a 3rd/4rg and 1 situation. 2. how has the defense bern playing this half 3. home or road. 4 low scoring or high scoring game that said I would not have gone for 2 when the ravens did. In early 4th this score would have bern38-35. Being up 3vs up 1 Ida different call.
Shaw66 Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 When McDermott has the offensive line the Ravens have, he'll have the guts to make that call.
QCity Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 In that situation if you're playing against Mahomes you go for it. If you're playing against Jacoby Brissett you kick. 1 1
RiotAct Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: OP, I don’t know that Any HC has the stones to do that. “Lamar, you wanna go for this?” Maybe it was just a cute stunt in the thickness of the moment. No QB worth his salt would say ‘no coach, I don’t think we can make it..’ ha… when Lamar recounted the story last night, I was actually laughing out loud thinking of the scenario where he says to Harbaugh “nahhh, y’know what, punt it away”. Edited September 20, 2021 by RiotAct
Big Turk Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: 1:00 left, 4th and 1... Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")? Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose. We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1. I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense. McDermott was one of if not the most aggressive 4th down coach in the NFL last year.
stevewin Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: IMO, he already had the decision made when he asked Lamar. Asking Lamar was simply to motivate him to go get that yard. He knew what the answer was going to be, and already decided it was what he wanted to do. Completely agree - Harbaugh "asking" Lamar was basically Harbaugh making the decision - he knew there was 0% chance Lamar or any other competitive QB was going to say no.
LeGOATski Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 @DrDawkinstein you're like 2 years late on this post. he was super aggressive last year and still aggressive this year.. They used Josh against Miami to get the first down. Exactly what you want them to do. The play against the Steelers sucked, but they learned from it and moved on, so what's your problem? Big tough guy on his keyboard calling the coach a wuss... 🙄 21 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: When McDermott has the offensive line the Ravens have, he'll have the guts to make that call. Yes and no... he has Josh Allen and you saw what he did against the Cowboys that one time. He got the first down despite his OL collapsing. It really depends on the situation and who they're playing against, but I don't think McD has any problem going for it. 1
Olliemets Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: McD may make the same call, but is Daboll smart enough to call a QB sneak, or will he get cute? I don't get the QB sneak hesitancy. Brady did this all the time with the Pats**, and it almost always worked. And I don't recall him ever getting injured from it. And Brady executed it quickly too. Got to the line and boom...No fussing around. No long counts. Decisive as hell. Edited September 20, 2021 by Olliemets spelling 1
Process Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 Based on the way he coached in the AFCCG and so far this year, absolutely not.
Malazan Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. I disagree with your assertion that Lamar is a simple minded idiot.
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I disagree with your assertion that Lamar is a simple minded idiot. Haha. That was not my assertion.
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Olliemets said: And Brady executed it quickly too. Got to the line and boom...No fussing around. No long counts. Decisive as hell. Nobody is better than Brady at the QB sneak.
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