JESSEFEFFER Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) On 9/20/2021 at 6:31 PM, Gugny said: As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. Expand OK. I do not normally see things the same way but this time Gugny has a point. When AJ lands on Tua his arms and knees are off the ground, effectively full body weight chest to chest. What is different is that AJ is "Tee-d off" as his lower body swung to the side which isn't the normal position that draws the flag. His arms were wrapped behind but he pulls them out before impact with the ground. Knees are off the ground too but it was not the classic "body surfing" position that usually draws the flag. I know the Bills coaches were teaching a "gator roll" after the initial hit so the defender's body would land beside the QB's. AJ did not do that move. I hate to say it, but Gugny has a point. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight. Edited September 20, 2021 by JESSEFEFFER
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Author Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 9:06 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: OK. I do not normally see things the same way but this time Gugny has a point. Expand We normally disagree?? This is the first I'm hearing this!! On 9/20/2021 at 9:23 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: let me roll my eyes before I answer your little questions...🙄 I found it misleading. how? because there was no penalty from the hit as it was a clean hit so why would you even suggest a fine. but I know, you know football and all the rules and so you felt the need to express how you thought his hit on little tua was dirty and would create a thread to see how many agree with you. looks as though pretty much the majority don't agree with you. but we know, you like to pull the chains, rattle the cage, you know ***** with people. the board comedian Expand Flattery will get you ... everywhere! I'll PM you! 2
Bill from NYC Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 5:06 PM, Bobby Hooks said: Fan of Tua? I could see if you liked him in college or something but as soon as he’s drafted by the Fish that fandom should go the way of the passenger pigeon. Expand I like the kid. Do you hate every player on every team? I also like Mac Jones but I want them to lose to the Bills and I will root against them in every circumstance that would help the Bills.
Don Otreply Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 4:49 PM, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? Expand Now now Gug, when you sober up and come down from the edibles you will note something important, that important thing is that your head is no longer…, that and you will be able to see that it was not a dirty hit, but of course your gonna die on the sword on this one, aren’t ya, 😁 nuthin but luv, Don, Go Bills!!! 1 1
Saxum Posted September 20, 2021 Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 5:23 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Nice! Notice @Gugny didn't cast a vote, but made it public. I am tempted to change my vote to: "Fine and Suspension." Just because I can! 😆 It's his way of making mental notes of the troublemakers... 😆 Expand Then why did he not vote to keep himself on naughty list?
AuntieEm Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 5:06 PM, Bobby Hooks said: It was 100% clean, and in watching the replay he didn’t even put his weight on him when they fell. Not sure if this thread is supposed to be funny, but I’m not laughing. Fan of Tua? I could see if you liked him in college or something but as soon as he’s drafted by the Fish that fandom should go the way of the passenger pigeon. Expand Why? You can be a fan of a player on a rival. Most will only wish bad games on them when it is in bills best interests if no bearing then no harm cheering them doing well. 1 1
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 5:47 PM, BillsfaninSB said: $1,000,000! Expand A Million ! Sounds awesome ! The fact he came clean at full speed and Tua did not see him is not Espy's fault. I mean goodness gracious folks, he could easily have killed the man right there. Great football play and upstanding humanitarian act in saving Tuas T's life. btw glad nothing is broken 🙂 2
JohnNord Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 About the same amount for Levi Wallace’s dirty “taunting” penalty
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 9:02 PM, buffaloboyinATL said: I’m assuming my this post is a joke? That was a completely clean hit. He even caught himself at the end so he wouldn’t drive him into the ground. Textbook legal hit. Expand Have you met Gugny ? 1
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 4:49 PM, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? Expand Every poll needs "Other " as an option 1
Mikie2times Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 Imagine opening your body up and closing your eyes. Then give somebody the size of Epenesa about a 5 yard head start to just drive directly into your chest. That's what happened. It was a very violent, but also very clean. Tua didn't see it and Epenesa had time to get his mass accelerated. If he went higher and it ended up being dirty Tua would no longer have a head.
JDubya76 Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 He will be fined and suspended. I heard that there is a warrant for his arrest in Miami-Dade county for attempted murder. Hopefully his lawyers can get it reduced to attempted manslaughter.
Robert James Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 Serious question: Can a player be fined when no foul is called? If not, then no, AJ won't be fined.
without a drought Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 I heard that they are going to fine Edmunds instead, he's a captain on defense so they just gave him the fine. 4
Gugny Posted September 21, 2021 Author Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 4:00 AM, Robert James said: Serious question: Can a player be fined when no foul is called? If not, then no, AJ won't be fined. Expand Yes, players can be fined sans flag. 3
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 4:00 AM, Robert James said: Serious question: Can a player be fined when no foul is called? If not, then no, AJ won't be fined. Expand Yes, they can and sometimes are. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 6:31 PM, Gugny said: As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. Expand You are right that in 2020, this would have been called a penalty. That was last year. The good news is, the NFL seems to have moved on from this arbitrary call which the refs kept screwing up in order to control the game, and have moved to over-flagging Taunting as this year's annoying "Point of Emphasis". They move it every year to a new, bull#### penalty so teams can't get ahead of the curve, and the refs can still inject themselves into the game, and be a deciding factor when they shouldnt be. 2
Bobby Hooks Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 10:00 PM, Bill from NYC said: I like the kid. Do you hate every player on every team? I also like Mac Jones but I want them to lose to the Bills and I will root against them in every circumstance that would help the Bills. Expand No, I don’t hate every player on every team. I hate the players on our division rival teams. If they move to another team I keep that dislike going, if they’re traded to the bills I like them instantly. The only two I kind’ve don’t mind are Brady and Darnold. Darnold never stood a chance and Brady is Brady. Dude’s an anomaly, you kind’ve got to tip your hat that the guy. 1
BigAl2526 Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 Honestly, the OP looks like a troll job. Epenesa was hitting Tagovailoa as the ball was leaving, not a late hit. It was not too high, not too low. When they landed Epenesa was perpendicular across his chest, but he was on his hands and knees in a crawl position and did not look as if he was putting weight on Tua. It could not have been much cleaner unless Tua still had a hold of the ball going down. 3
Draconator Posted September 21, 2021 Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 6:47 PM, BigAl2526 said: Honestly, the OP looks like a troll job. Epenesa was hitting Tagovailoa as the ball was leaving, not a late hit. It was not too high, not too low. When they landed Epenesa was perpendicular across his chest, but he was on his hands and knees in a crawl position and did not look as if he was putting weight on Tua. It could not have been much cleaner unless Tua still had a hold of the ball going down. Expand Hey @Gugny a rookie called you a "troll job"!!! 🤣 3
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