Josh Allen is looking a lot more like the 2019 version

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

We’re taking about his entire season, not just how he looked at times.

 

Oh, My Bad.  I thought we were talking about how Allen has looked in 2 games this season, so cherry-picking other seasons seemed fair

 

 

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, My Bad.  I thought we were talking about how Allen has looked in 2 games this season, so cherry-picking other seasons seemed fair

 

 

 

At what point is it not cherry picking? Three games in a row? Four?

[Bangarang]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, My Bad.  I thought we were talking about how Allen has looked in 2 games this season, so cherry-picking other seasons seemed fair

 

 

 

The question was whether Allen would be considered elite if his play and numbers were the same as 2019 but we won the SB. 
 

My answer to that is no. While Allen may have looked elite at times in 2019, his overall body of work that year wasn’t consistently great enough to be considered among the league’s elite.
 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by Bangarang

[appoo]

He's been off, but he started to look a little more himself during the 2nd half. 

 

Give him a chance to review, work, fix and perform again. 

 

He is human after all. We all work around a mean, and by statistical definition, a human being will perform below the average

[OrediggerPoke]

Stats are for losers.  

[Logic]

One of the seven least efficient QBs in the leaguethrough two weeks. He is not in good company. 😳

 

 

[Tenhigh]

42 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

This isn’t about style points. Like, at all. It’s about actually being good. I don’t need Josh to throw for 5,000 yards and 40 TDs. 

 

The point, which I thought I’ve been clear about, is that this team isn’t going to be competing for a SB if Allen and the offense are just a repeat of their 2019 season. 

 

I don't think we will compete for a SB if we try to replicate 2020 either.  The approach should be more balanced and less 1 dimensionsal.

[dave mcbride]

The lofted pass to McKenzie was bad, but I wonder if that was the product of the bullet that sailed badly over the head of an open Singletary earlier in the game. That would have been a 25-30 yard gain. Point is, he seems to lack confidence in his velocity. The 3rd and 1 play last week that was lofted and defensed should have been on a rope, but it came shortly after the low-arc bomb that sailed over Sanders. Might that earlier miss caused him to lose faith in his deep-rope accuracy?

A couple of nice things to see, however: the short TD pass to Diggs yesterday was peak Allen--a really strong throw on a busted play--and the late bomb to Diggs was something I've been militating for for a while: a bomb with air under it that gives the player the time needed to adjust to it and make a play. The early deep throw to Sanders was great, although that's one of those throws that he's bound to occasionally complete due to the law of averages. That was a pretty typical deep throw by Allen, and he misses a lot of those. Anyway, there were some good things with the bad yesterday. To me, the main issue has been consistency with regard to accuracy and velocity/arc choice as well as platform mechanics. I suspect he'll get it sorted out before too long. We all know he's capable of being a consistently elite producer. 

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

I don't think we will compete for a SB if we try to replicate 2020 either.  The approach should be more balanced and less 1 dimensionsal.

Lol what? We literally were 1 game away from the SB with that model. 

We didn’t need to revamp how we do things because it obviously worked. The biggest weakness we had was our defense’s inability to get pressure without sending extra guys.
 

You add a few guys who can do that and if the offense continues it’s play from last year we are without a doubt in the hunt for a SB.  

Edited September 20, 2021 by Bangarang

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The lofted pass to McKenzie was bad, but I wonder if that was the product of the bullet that sailed badly over the head of an open Singletary earlier in the game. That would have been a 25-30 yard gain. Point is, he seems to lack confidence in his velocity. The 3rd and 1 play last week that was lofted and defensed should have been on a rope, but it came shortly after the low-arc bomb that sailed over Sanders. Might that earlier miss caused him to lose faith in his deep-rope accuracy?

 

I really think he has been over coached on touch passes, or maybe he is too hard on himself about it. It's like someone told him he should throw with touch on longer passes and now he's thinking about it too much. If the receiver is running in a straight line then yes touch is the way to go, but if the receiver is stopping or coming back he needs to gun it in there. This is a really simple fix and throwing with not enough velocity has never been a problem for Allen until now, so I'm confident it will be corrected. Even the throw to Sanders that he hit on the money wasn't really a touch throw, he just threw a perfectly accurate rope. I would rather he just stick with that even if it means sometimes missing deeper throws if it also means he hits the intermediate throws he never missed last hear.

 

Allen is at his best when he doesn't have to think too much. Both of his TD passes he didn't have time to think because he was running for his life. I want to see Daboll move the pocket more like we saw last year.  Put Allen in a position where he doesn't have to worry as much about pocket pressure or think about his mechanics.

[Bangarang]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The lofted pass to McKenzie was bad, but I wonder if that was the product of the bullet that sailed badly over the head of an open Singletary earlier in the game. That would have been a 25-30 yard gain. Point is, he seems to lack confidence in his velocity. The 3rd and 1 play last week that was lofted and defensed should have been on a rope, but it came shortly after the low-arc bomb that sailed over Sanders. Might that earlier miss caused him to lose faith in his deep-rope accuracy?

A couple of nice things to see, however: the short TD pass to Diggs yesterday was peak Allen--a really strong throw on a busted play--and the late bomb to Diggs was something I've been militating for for a while: a bomb with air under it that gives the player the time needed to adjust to it and make a play. The early deep throw to Sanders was great, although that's one of those throws that he's bound to occasionally complete due to the law of averages. That was a pretty typical deep throw by Allen, and he misses a lot of those. Anyway, there were some good things with the bad yesterday. To me, the main issue has been consistency with regard to accuracy and velocity/arc choice as well as platform mechanics. I suspect he'll get it sorted out before too long. We all know he's capable of being a consistently elite producer. 

So far this year, Josh is 4/17 on passes that travel 15 or more yards in the air. Small sample size but that’s obviously pretty bad. 

[Coach Tuesday]

This is a bizarre thread.  Is anyone actually arguing that Allen is playing well?  If so I must've missed it. It seems like everyone agrees that he's off - but there are folks who would like to start panicking now, and then the rest of us.

[dave mcbride]

10 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

So far this year, Josh is 4/17 on passes that travel 15 or more yards in the air. Small sample size but that’s obviously pretty bad. 

Does that include the throwaways that go out of the EZ? I'm less concerned with the completion percentage (although it's certainly a decent proxy) than with the accuracy percentage. One of those throws was to Sanders in the Pitt game and accurate, although the defender (Pierre) was in position to make a play on it immediately (and did). The lofted throws to McKenzie and Diggs were both accurate, although they resulted in incompletions because they shouldn't have been lofted. But yeah, a bunch of off-target throws so far.  On a few, the coverage has been good enough to cause an incomletion. 

[teef]

9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

This is a bizarre thread.  Is anyone actually arguing that Allen is playing well?  If so I must've missed it. It seems like everyone agrees that he's off - but there are folks who would like to start panicking now, and then the rest of us.

agreed.  i don't think anyone feels he's ok at this point, but we're in game 2 of a 17 game season.  one game at a time, get as many wins as possible, and give this ***** a chance to play out.  i'm not worried...yet.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

One of the seven least efficient QBs in the leaguethrough two weeks. He is not in good company. 😳

 

 

Brady has been a monster this season.

 

Loooks like Allen is below Ryan, Winston, and Wentz

[Success]

Anyone remember how the board felt after we lost to KC and TN last season?

 

It's just so early.  After so many years of the internet & so many sports shows on TV and radio, it has become very easy to recognize and identify hot takes.  Concern about Allen in general is something I would file under that category, because it's been 2 games, and we won the last one by 35 points.

 

If it's late October and we're still seeing the same thing, sure.  

 

[Tenhigh]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Lol what? We literally were 1 game away from the SB with that model. 

We didn’t need to revamp how we do things because it obviously worked. The biggest weakness we had was our defense’s inability to get pressure without sending extra guys.
 

You add a few guys who can do that and if the offense continues it’s play from last year we are without a doubt in the hunt for a SB.  

We got our butts handed to us in the AFC Championship game on BOTH sides of the ball, on offense partly because our scheme was 1 dimensional.   If we can establish the threat of a real run game instead of just praying that Allen plays out of his mind, that opens this team up for a real shot at a championship.   It also makes Allen's life easier.

[CincyBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Success said:

Anyone remember how the board felt after we lost to KC and TN last season?

 

It's just so early.  After so many years of the internet & so many sports shows on TV and radio, it has become very easy to recognize and identify hot takes.  Concern about Allen in general is something I would file under that category, because it's been 2 games, and we won the last one by 35 points.

 

If it's late October and we're still seeing the same thing, sure.  

 

Well said.  And in the Miami game the offense was efficient and scored 5 TD's on 5 decent drives including a knockout blow right out of the looker room after halftime.

 

[Gugny]

39 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

 

What gives you so much confidence that he'll turn it around?

 

 

Because he's proven, for three years, that once he's aware of shortcomings, he works diligently to improve.  I'm not sure why he seems to have reverted, but I really do feel that he'll make consistent forward strides and he and the team will be just fine.

[AuntieEm]

18 hours ago, Figster said:

Most of the starters had very little game play through the preseason. What are you suggesting? Allens regressing? Getting the O into the right plays to succeed including run plays is a big part of a QB's job. Buffalo won 35 - 0 and Josh Allen ran the O that accomplished it. 

           

       He also made some td passes without forcing the ball but because he isn't posting higher fantasy winning stats fans are saying he regressed. 2 of 17 games not even a quarter of season played.  We have a nice new pass rush that looks like it can  really grow with interesting potential.  I'm not buying many of the teams we will play still this season will have the defense capable of shutting down Josh and this offense not to mention that team would need an equally skilled offense to get by our so far stellar defense.

 

    Early yet but we got the horses now to maintain a rotation that allows for resting players that max need it during season.  Bills have invested heavily in maintaining the right blend of recovery specialists to keep players in peak condition. 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by AuntieEm
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