Josh Allen is looking a lot more like the 2019 version

[Bangarang]

15 minutes ago, MJS said:

Not well in the Steelers game. And the first game against the Dolphins was really close.

Allen was great in the game though 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But it's only been two games.  If Allen and the offense are still playing like this after 8 games then yea we have a problem and we're not winning the SB this year. But after only two games - I'm not concerned.

 

 

I'm concerned because the issues he had pre draft and his rookie season are apparent again. He isn't seeing the field, very inaccurate, seems to have lost confidence, and his foot work is poor. Not sure how as a fan it's not concerning? How can anyone not be thinking last season might be an anomaly? It's pretty rare that franchise Qbs have  several poor games in a row. He hasn't played well since the Indy game. Its the "big elephant" in the room that no one wants to honestly confront. 

 

[Figster]

27 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

10 starters returned. No coaching or scheme changes. But it’s  getting in sync with Sanders that is part of the issue? I don’t buy that for a second.  

Most of the starters had very little game play through the preseason. What are you suggesting? Allens regressing? Getting the O into the right plays to succeed including run plays is a big part of a QB's job. Buffalo won 35 - 0 and Josh Allen ran the O that accomplished it. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Watched back some of the game. Made me less worried about Josh. The Fins played mostly man and were like glue on our receivers. Lot of guys covered and with very little separation. Josh missed on some open throws— but for the most part, the coverage was very good. I think their normal “man beaters,” like WR screens, weren’t clicking as much. 
 

I am sure there are some throws that Josh can work on or that he would like back. But he also threw some absolute dimes (the long throw to Sanders on the second TD drive; the throw against his body rolling left for a first down inside the ten to Diggs; and both of his TD throws). 

Not sure what game you watched. Allen played poorly. He missed several throws, was very inaccurate, was fortunate not to have several picks, stared down receivers, threw off his back foot, etc. He was 17-33 for 179 yards. 2 tds and 1 not. Maybe I'm lost...

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

My only point is that through the first two games our passing attack is clearly much worse than what we saw last year. We brought back 10 starters and had no changes to the coaching staff. What’s the problem? Why does Josh look like a rookie caught in headlights at times? Part of that is the o-line, clearly. But what’s the solution?

 

It doesn’t mean this is how things are going to be all year, but things obviously need to get a lot better. If they don’t, we aren’t going to be very successful. 

Finally someone who isn't afraid to say what he sees! Thank you. It's crazy how honest assessments of poor play gets criticized here. You get branded a hater or a troll. I never get that. I think its ok to criticize and praise when appropriate. Right now, Allen deserves the criticism. 

[WideNine]

 

With a good defense, Allen just needs to do enough to win games and avoid things that make teams lose games.

 

Brady over his career averaged around 260 Y/G but is one of the most successful QBs to play the game. Much of that is his efficiency (and a fair bit of preferential treatment by officials over the years) combined with solid defenses. NE was also pretty good about getting up on teams early and playing keep away. Gaudy QB stats alone do not win games, if they did then Deshawn Watson, Matt Ryan, and Kirk Cousins would not have been on sub-500 teams last season.

 

Allen and this offense need to be efficient. Strike when they are in the red zone, avoid turnovers and poor field position and they will win most games.

 

Until OBD gets some better talent on the o-line that allow deeper options to open up for Allen, running the ball and hitting quicker passes underneath to avoid the jail breaks will be necessary. I do like how Knox is starting so show up and make plays in the seams and behind those defensive shell looks... TE has been a missing element for this offense.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by WideNine

[newcam2012]

51 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

10 starters returned. No coaching or scheme changes. But it’s  getting in sync with Sanders that is part of the issue? I don’t buy that for a second.  

Me either. It's called regression. Jate that dirty word. 

[Figster]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Not sure what game you watched. Allen played poorly. He missed several throws, was very inaccurate, was fortunate not to have several picks, stared down receivers, threw off his back foot, etc. He was 17-33 for 179 yards. 2 tds and 1 not. Maybe I'm lost...

Poorly in a 35 zip shutout. Really.  Several picks eh, 

 

I don't think we are watching the same game... 

[newcam2012]

9 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

This is right on target.

 

I tried telling everyone we should wait at least 10 games before extending Allen.

 

Now if last season turns out to be a fluke were pretty much *****. 

Thanks. 

[Figster]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Me either. It's called regression. Jate that dirty word. 

Its called rusty, lol

 

Good grief

[newcam2012]

4 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

With a good defense, Allen just needs to do enough to win games and avoid things that make teams lose games.

 

Brady over his career averaged around 260 Y/G but is one of the most successful QBs to play the game. Much of that is his efficiency (and a fair bit of preferential treatment by officials over the years) combined with solid defenses. NE was also pretty good about getting up on teams early and playing keep away. Gaudy QB stats alone do not win games, if they did then Deshawn Watson, Matt Ryan, and Kirk Cousins would not have been on sub-500 teams last season.

 

Allen and this offense need to be efficient. Strike when they are in the red zone, avoid turnovers and poor field position and they will win most games. Until OBD gets some better talent on the o-line that allow deeper options to open up for Allen, running the ball and hitting quicker passes underneath to avoid the jail breaks will be necessary. I do like how Knox is starting so show up and make plays in the seams and behind those defensive shell looks... TE has been a missing element for this offense.

 

 

 

 

The Bills didn't make Allen the highest paid QB to be a game manager. 

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Me either. It's called regression. Hate that dirty word. 

 

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Its called rusty, lol

 

Good grief

I'm speechless.

[Figster]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

The Bills didn't make Allen the highest paid QB to be a game manager. 

Whats Mahomes excuse in a loss tonight? I think he makes a little more.

[newcam2012]

Just now, Figster said:

Whats Mahomes excuse in a loss tonight? I think he makes a little more.

Ignorance is bliss. 

[WideNine]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

The Bills didn't make Allen the highest paid QB to be a game manager. 

 

Yet all great QBs are in fact very good "game managers". That term is overly used as a derogatory term that assumes limiting a QBs abilities rather than a necessary facet to being a successful QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Figster]

31 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

Mahomes beat by a good run game, hahaha

 

I think his game management skills is regressing.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Figster

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

 

7 hours ago, Locomark said:

Actually I liked many of his decisions today. He threw the ball away like 5-6 times instead of taking dumb sacks like he used to. They still aren’t in sync yet, but it’s not unusual for offenses to not put up big numbers early in a season. Let’s see what happens the next 2 weeks where there is a big chance to put up back to back 300 yd games. Beasley isn’t getting as wide open as he was last year either. Teams have figured out how to bracket his option routes. 

 

Great point about the throw-aways. They always seem frustrating in the moment but in reality they are likely the best play for him to make over the options of forcing a bad throw or taking a sack. 

 

 

[newcam2012]

53 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Yet all great QBs are in fact very good "game managers". That term is overly used as a derogatory term that assumes limiting a QBs abilities rather than a necessary facet to being a successful QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, it cuts both ways. Generally speaking, it has negative connotations. The term "franchise QB" is term used for the elite Qbs. No doubt Allen earned that title last year. However, it was a very small sample size. Imho, he isn't earning that title in this early season. Time will tell what label he will receive. 

[stosh64]

8 hours ago, Process said:

He's been really, really, REALLY bad. Completely different player than last year. 

 

Hopefully he snaps out of it. We have 0 chance against KC with this version of Allen. 

There isn't a bigger, 'home boy', Josh Allen supporter than me.

I totally agree with you.

I feel a little nauseous after a blowout win, WTF is wrong with me...What's Bills ptsd again

I still have faith our boy will figure it out, whatever "it" is.

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Process said:

Before the Steelers game, all the talk on Steelers forums was how bad their secondary is and how Allen is going to tear them apart. They all thought we would destroy them. 

 

But we lose and Allen plays like crap and Bills fans want to say it's because the Steelers have the best defense in the league. 

 

Their defense is not one of the best in the league. The Steelers are not a good team. Derek Carr just went for 400 and a win against them in Pittsburgh. 

 

Time to face reality... Allen has been bad and needs to get it together quick. 

 

They were missing or lost some key players in the Raiders game though.

[nucci]

10 hours ago, Process said:

He's been really, really, REALLY bad. Completely different player than last year. 

 

Hopefully he snaps out of it. We have 0 chance against KC with this version of Allen. 

when do we play KC?

[UKBillFan]

10 hours ago, Process said:

He's been really, really, REALLY bad. Completely different player than last year. 

 

Hopefully he snaps out of it. We have 0 chance against KC with this version of Allen. 

I’d argue he looked like 2018 Josh for the first six quarters of the season, then 2019 Josh for the next two. I don’t think we can expect a leap in form from 2018 to 2020 so progression is key. I’ll be happy if 2019 Josh turns up against Washington with a couple of plays which feel like he’s getting back to last year’s heights. Steady improvement through the season as he and Daboll, hopefully, work out new designs and ways to work around new defensive strategies against us.