9/19//21 Week 2 Bills @ Miami Postgame Thread

[LyndonvilleBill]

12 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

amen. I don’t know if it is Josh or scheme— But they need to run plays for Knox. You look at how easy Kelce makes it look— Knox is arguably just as athletic.  Just a simple dump off is an easy 7 yards. 

Please, no easy dump offs.  He's much better catching the hard ones.😁

[Dr. K]

I haven't had time to read all the comments, but the score was not indicative of the teams' play in the game. It felt more like a 24-17 Bills win.

 

I was heartened to see the Bills defense play so well. Liked seeing the hard running form Singletary and Moss (except for the fumbles).

 

As many have said, the offense, and in particular Josh Allen, are not totally in synch. A little woried about Allen, but not pushing any panic buttons. If Allen gets back his 2020 form, and the defense maintains this level, this team will be a juggernaut.  

[bigduke6]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Is Tua a top 32 offensive threat?

 

Brissett isn’t great, but Tua has not shown himself at this point to be better.

 

Anytime you pitch a shutout in the NFL - it is worth an A at minimum.  
 

I was also impressed that when they knocked Tua out - the Bills didn’t go back to a plain vanilla defense - they still attacked him and forced him to try and make plays - they gave up very few “easy” throws to either Miami or Pittsburgh.

 

 

honestly not sure what your arguement is here,   both Tua and Brissett are bad,  and that makes my point.  the D didnt face a top offense,  they played well,   against a bad offense, hence,  B+..........give them an A if u want,  whatever.   

 

enjoy the win,  was it a Super Bowl caliber win?  No,  thats the goal.   if u cant see the teams limitations against what appears to be an inferior opponent,  and u just want to savor the win.  good 4 u.

 

im a Bills fan,  im certainly happy they won,  i dont root against them or any player,  but im also a realist.......if u want to ignore the problems and just hope they dont cost games  (already has cost us one),  well gl 2 u and anybody else thats taken this stance here.

 

one last thing,  every,  EVERY,  game counts here.  this isnt MLB,  or the NHL,  or the NBA,   where u can suck it up for a quarter of the season and then make the playoffs,  every game matters in the NFL,   especially if our goal is homefield in the playoffs.    i dont want to face the Chiefs again in Arrowhead,  with a full stadium,  to advance in the playoffs.   

Edited September 20, 2021 by bigduke6

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

honestly not sure what your arguement is here,   both Tua and Brissett are bad,  and that makes my point.  the D didnt face a top offense,  they played well,   against a bad offense, hence,  B+..........give them an A if u want,  whatever.   ffs this board is filled with people that just want to sh@t an anybody that doesnt exactly agree with them....enjoy the win,  was it a Super Bowl caliber win?  No,  thats the goal.

 

Do you not even have a sliding scale ha... I mean, what else could our defense do?  Shutting out a "bad" offense should be an A.  Just like holding a really good offense to under 20, may also be an A.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

😂

 

 

[Ta111]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Do you not even have a sliding scale ha... I mean, what else could our defense do?  Shutting out a "bad" offense should be an A.  Just like holding a really good offense to under 20, may also be an A.

Along those same lines, it is extremely rare to beat a team by 5 touchdowns on the road while shutting them out regardless of the team. It was an A effort all around.

[bigduke6]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Do you not even have a sliding scale ha... I mean, what else could our defense do?  Shutting out a "bad" offense should be an A.  Just like holding a really good offense to under 20, may also be an A.

well clearly what u think is correct then.  im not here to change minds,  i spoke mine,  i stand by it.  gl

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

That is a mean defensive line rotation!

 

On a side note, I don't remember ever being quite so interested in what the snap counts were for the team as a whole.

[Motor26]

31 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

That is a mean defensive line rotation!

 

On a side note, I don't remember ever being quite so interested in what the snap counts were for the team as a whole.

 

Surprised AJ only played 46% of the snaps. Felt like he was putting pressure all day. If Basham can prove he has potential, they’ll be able to phase out Addison and Jerry next year. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I haven't had time to read all the comments, but the score was not indicative of the teams' play in the game. It felt more like a 24-17 Bills win.

 

🙄

 

Seriously?

 

There are no "moral victories".  Likewise there are no "moral losses". 

 

The defense doesn't get to take 7 points off the board against the Steelers because the blocked punt was on the ST watch. 

 

You don't get to take 11 points away from the offense and award 17 to the Dolphins because of "your feels"

 

The score is, what the score is.  There were no flukes or flakey plays or questionable ref calls on INT or fumbles giving the Bills the ball.  The Bills offense earned every point of those scores with long drives.

 

Give me an 'F'in break

 

49 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I was heartened to see the Bills defense play so well.

 

Yeah, so "heartened" it feels to you like they gave up 17 points they did not

 

49 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Liked seeing the hard running form Singletary and Moss (except for the fumbles).

 

Yeah, liked the running so much you want to take away some of the points scored on rushing TDs

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

59 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

honestly not sure what your arguement is here,   both Tua and Brissett are bad,  and that makes my point.  the D didnt face a top offense,  they played well,   against a bad offense, hence,  B+..........give them an A if u want,  whatever.   

 

enjoy the win,  was it a Super Bowl caliber win?  No,  thats the goal.   if u cant see the teams limitations against what appears to be an inferior opponent,  and u just want to savor the win.  good 4 u.

 

im a Bills fan,  im certainly happy they won,  i dont root against them or any player,  but im also a realist.......if u want to ignore the problems and just hope they dont cost games  (already has cost us one),  well gl 2 u and anybody else thats taken this stance here.

 

one last thing,  every,  EVERY,  game counts here.  this isnt MLB,  or the NHL,  or the NBA,   where u can suck it up for a quarter of the season and then make the playoffs,  every game matters in the NFL,   especially if our goal is homefield in the playoffs.    i dont want to face the Chiefs again in Arrowhead,  with a full stadium,  to advance in the playoffs.   

 

Was it a Super Bowl caliber win - who knows.  What it was - was a convincing, shut out victory over a team that is expected to compete for not only the playoffs, but the division title.

 

Miami was widely considered to be one of the top AFC teams and based upon last year and the additional talent they secured in the draft and via FA - they were supposed to be the AFC East team that challenged the Bills for the Division.  They were the only AFC East team to get a victory last week and beat a team in NE that is expected to also challenge.  It is not like Miami beat Houston or the Jets - so yes - it was a darn good win over a team that will be right with Buffalo until the end of the season.

 

We will see where that offense ends up by the end, but to shut them out and stuff them on multiple 4th downs and force multiple Turnovers- yeah the defense deserves an A to A+
 

- just looking at your original post tells me your not a realist, but it is what it is - you can freely complain and most people can freely disagree and note that your assessment was just not good.  
 

Facts are facts and every game does matter and anytime your defense can force multiple turnovers, get multiple sacks (6), hold a team to under 75 yards rushing and 200 yards passing while blowing them out (even in garbage time) - then that defense did some incredible things.  
 

When your offense puts up nearly 150 yards rushing and 3 scores and you pass for multiple scores against what is considered to be a top 3-5 defense in the league - the offense also should get some praise.  Do they have things to clean up - yep, but that is an excellent defense and they won many games for Miami last year and yet they found ways to move the ball and get into a rhythm.

 

Overall - all 3 phases and the coaching were better than the opponents and they manhandled a very good team - with things that still need to be cleaned up, but an overall very good performance by the team.

 

 

[Dr. K]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

🙄

 

Seriously?

 

There are no "moral victories".  Likewise there are no "moral losses". 

 

The defense doesn't get to take 7 points off the board against the Steelers because the blocked punt was on the ST watch. 

 

You don't get to take 11 points away from the offense and award 17 to the Dolphins because of "your feels"

 

The score is, what the score is.  There were no flukes or flakey plays or questionable ref calls on INT or fumbles giving the Bills the ball.  The Bills offense earned every point of those scores with long drives.

 

Give me an 'F'in break

 

 

Yeah, so "heartened" it feels to you like they gave up 17 points they did not

 

 

Yeah, liked the running so much you want to take away some of the points scored on rushing TDs

 

 

Wow. I would not have expected a response like this to what I considered a rather innocuous post. 

 

You seem to think I was crapping all over the Bills' effort. That certainly was not my impression of what I was saying. If you want another version of what I intended, let's say "I wish the passing offense had looked more in synch. The Bills defense played great. The rushing attack was much better than we have seen for a while. I wish Josh had looked better but I think he will in future."

 

I did not get to see the game live, but I knew the final score was 35-0 before I watched it, and was a bit surprised that in the actual game play it was not one of Allen's lights-out performances.

 

I'm surprised at you taking such umbrage at what I wrote since you as a person don't seem to me to lose your temper very often. In general I have found you to be one of the most sane of the posters on this board, and if you will go back you will see that 90% of the time I agree with your comments. 

 

 

 

 

[Logic]

I thought this was a cool little factoid from Peter King's column this morning:

"Two of Miami’s last three games have been against Buffalo. Tagovailoa got yanked for ineffective play against the Bills in Week 17 last year. He had to leave because of injury after two series Sunday in south Florida. Combined score of the two games: Buffalo 91, Miami 26. Even in the great Jim Kelly/Thurman Thomas days, the Bills never laid it on the Dolphins like this in a two-game span; Kelly’s high score in back-to-back games was 79 points. The Dolphins are not in Buffalo’s league, no matter who is quarterbacking—and backup Jacoby Brissett was as ineffective as the man drafted to be the franchise quarterback 17 months ago."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/20/ravens-chiefs-oweh-nfl-fmia-week-2-peter-king/

Edited September 20, 2021 by Logic

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

That is a mean defensive line rotation!

 

On a side note, I don't remember ever being quite so interested in what the snap counts were for the team as a whole.

 

Mixed in with the offense:

M Hyde               FS                82  61%

 

Couple things:

1) I had not realized Wallace only played ~ 1/3 of the game.  Someone said "cramps" but I wonder if the taunting penalty had anything to do with it?

2) Any update on Hyde?  He met with the media after the game and I didn't hear questions about injury.

3) In addition to the guys with cramps (Edmunds), I had not realized how many of the starters got pulled, including Taron Johnson, Poyer, Milano etc.

Makes the "pitching a shutout" even more impressive

 

I would love someone in the media or who was at the game live to do an assessment of which DL are playing where.  It's very hard to decode from the Network film. 

From this a guess at the rotation:

Rousseau-Hughes

Oliver-Butler

Zimmer-Lotulelei  (Zimmer is listed as  a 1TDT on the Bills)

Addison-Epenesa

with a handful of % mixing things up and around

 

But it's hard to tell, and some of the PR about Zimmer pass rushing up the gut:

Quote

Justin Zimmer active over Harrison Phillips, and shows why

It was a surprise healthy scratch for Phillips but Zimmer has established himself as a trustworthy pass rusher up the gut for the Bills. He recorded a sack in the game and had a huge win on the Jackson 4th-down tackle to help set up his teammate.

sounds as though it could have been

 

Oliver-Zimmer

Lotulelei-Butler

with a handful of mix-n-match

 

Anyone?

 

 

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I would love someone in the media or who was at the game live to do an assessment of which DL are playing where.  It's very hard to decode from the Network film. 

From this a guess at the rotation:

Rousseau-Hughes

Oliver-Butler

Zimmer-Lotulelei  (Zimmer is listed as  a 1TDT on the Bills)

Addison-Epenesa

with a handful of % mixing things up and around

 

But it's hard to tell, and some of the PR about Zimmer pass rushing up the gut:

sounds as though it could have been

 

Oliver-Zimmer

Lotulelei-Butler

with a handful of mix-n-match

 

Anyone?

 

 

I don't have an answer just yet, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that Erik Turner and the Cover 1 crew will be breaking down the d-line play on Twitter throughout the week. They'll have the usual cut-ups, looping replays, analysis, and explanations. I presume you already follow them and/or are familiar with their work. If not, I'm sure someone here will post links as it becomes available. That seems like the best bet as far as ascertaining who played where and when.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Logic

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Wow. I would not have expected a response like this to what I considered a rather innocuous post. 

 

You seem to think I was crapping all over the Bills' effort. That certainly was not my impression of what I was saying. If you want another version of what I intended, let's say "I wish the passing offense had looked more in synch. The Bills defense played great. The rushing attack was much better than we have seen for a while. I wish Josh had looked better but I think he will in future."

 

I did not get to see the game live, but I knew the final score was 35-0 before I watched it, and was a bit surprised that in the actual game play it was not one of Allen's lights-out performances.

 

I'm surprised at you taking such umbrage at what I wrote since you as a person don't seem to me to lose your temper very often. In general I have found you to be one of the most sane of the posters on this board, and if you will go back you will see that 90% of the time I agree with your comments.

 

Haha I was not losing my temper there.  Believe me, when I lose my temper, there's no ambiguity.

And I usually delete those posts

 

I take it as a fair point that you didn't intend "crapping all over" the Bills effort, but I think when you write that the effort "felt like" a drastically different score, perhaps some awareness that IS how it comes across (at least to me, and I don't think I'm alone). 

 

I may be influenced by the number of such takes in the GDTs and postgame.  It's become irksome.

 

I absolutely understand being surprised, seeing the score before watching the game, that it wasn't the Pass-fest that one might have expected.  Still seems like a serious Diss on both the defensive and the offensive effort.

 

 

[Rico]

I would just like to say that the Bills look so much better in the classic blue on white. Whatever weather advantage it may have given them, I still didn’t like seeing white on white against the Steelers classic black tops.

[Jauronimo]

34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

🙄

 

Seriously?

 

There are no "moral victories".  Likewise there are no "moral losses". 

 

The defense doesn't get to take 7 points off the board against the Steelers because the blocked punt was on the ST watch. 

 

You don't get to take 11 points away from the offense and award 17 to the Dolphins because of "your feels"

 

The score is, what the score is.  There were no flukes or flakey plays or questionable ref calls on INT or fumbles giving the Bills the ball.  The Bills offense earned every point of those scores with long drives.

 

Give me an 'F'in break

 

 

Yeah, so "heartened" it feels to you like they gave up 17 points they did not

 

 

Yeah, liked the running so much you want to take away some of the points scored on rushing TDs

 

 

The defense wasn't on the field for the blocked punt.  How do you still not get this?  This isn't new thinking.  Do you credit the Stillers offense for the TD on the blocked punt despite the fact they weren't on the field? No, you credit the TD to special teams.

[bigduke6]

39 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Was it a Super Bowl caliber win - who knows.  What it was - was a convincing, shut out victory over a team that is expected to compete for not only the playoffs, but the division title.

 

Miami was widely considered to be one of the top AFC teams and based upon last year and the additional talent they secured in the draft and via FA - they were supposed to be the AFC East team that challenged the Bills for the Division.  They were the only AFC East team to get a victory last week and beat a team in NE that is expected to also challenge.  It is not like Miami beat Houston or the Jets - so yes - it was a darn good win over a team that will be right with Buffalo until the end of the season.

 

We will see where that offense ends up by the end, but to shut them out and stuff them on multiple 4th downs and force multiple Turnovers- yeah the defense deserves an A to A+
 

- just looking at your original post tells me your not a realist, but it is what it is - you can freely complain and most people can freely disagree and note that your assessment was just not good.  
 

Facts are facts and every game does matter and anytime your defense can force multiple turnovers, get multiple sacks (6), hold a team to under 75 yards rushing and 200 yards passing while blowing them out (even in garbage time) - then that defense did some incredible things.  
 

When your offense puts up nearly 150 yards rushing and 3 scores and you pass for multiple scores against what is considered to be a top 3-5 defense in the league - the offense also should get some praise.  Do they have things to clean up - yep, but that is an excellent defense and they won many games for Miami last year and yet they found ways to move the ball and get into a rhythm.

 

Overall - all 3 phases and the coaching were better than the opponents and they manhandled a very good team - with things that still need to be cleaned up, but an overall very good performance by the team.

 

 

i find it hilarious that a B+ instead of an A.........makes this much of a problem.  this board never ceases to amaze me lol......

u acknowledge the shortcomings yet its not ok to point them out?  too funny.

 

your projection for the Phins doesnt mean much,  every season is different,  they looked like hot garbage,   was that due to our D,  or their ineptitude?  probably a bit of both.    Phins were barely a playoff team last season and stunk up the joint against our backups......dont tell me theyre good.    are the Steelers good?   D played fairly well against an old limited QB with zero running game,  and Pitt just lost at home to a team that underachieves on a regular basis.  u like facts,  how bout those.?

 

and ffs....man my whining and complaining.......thick and heavy right?  love how this day in age,  u point out facts that are fairly easy to see if your eyes are open,  and its complaining or whining.    

 

im too old to ignore things that slap me in the face just to have a feel good victory,  this game counts,  we needed it,  its one step towards the final goal.  

 

moving on.

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by bigduke6

[WideNine]

11 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Wow. I would not have expected a response like this to what I considered a rather innocuous post. 

 

You seem to think I was crapping all over the Bills' effort. That certainly was not my impression of what I was saying. If you want another version of what I intended, let's say "I wish the passing offense had looked more in synch. The Bills defense played great. The rushing attack was much better than we have seen for a while. I wish Josh had looked better but I think he will in future."

 

I did not get to see the game live, but I knew the final score was 35-0 before I watched it, and was a bit surprised that in the actual game play it was not one of Allen's lights-out performances.

 

I'm surprised at you taking such umbrage at what I wrote since you as a person don't seem to me to lose your temper very often. In general I have found you to be one of the most sane of the posters on this board, and if you will go back you will see that 90% of the time I agree with your comments. 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't take it too personally... it is frustrating when so many fans think teams are going to be caught by surprise or roll over for our Bills this year.

 

They aren't - especially when the concensus opinion from NFL pundits and front offices was that the Bills were the 2nd best AFC team going into the season.

 

Teams are copying what worked well to slow this offense down and are bringing their "A" game.

 

But when your offense hangs over 30 pts against an NFL team folks need to step back and be a bit more realistic in their critiques.

 

Too many fans are expecting air-Allen against decent secondaries and solid 4-man rushes.

 

Teams are expecting a pass-first Bills team... they are not going to sneak up on anyone. If our opponents have the dogs up front to pressure with 4 and still stuff the run - coupled with solid secondaries then it is going to be tough sledding.

 

The offense as a whole has things it needs to clean up, but when they can put together enough back-breaking drives to seal a win like this it is a good win.