The education gap between men and women

[Governor]

18 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Sometimes I think the problem is that boomers are living too long. We keep hearing about generational wealth - boomers hoarding all of it with millennials and Gen Z left with the scraps we discard. Where do those millenials and Gen Z'ers think that wealth is going when we kick the bucket? The tax man, sure, but whatever's left goes straight to you ...

It’s a trick. Gen Z has been hoarding wealth since 2010. 
 

You probably know a few. These people “lease” iPhones for the family, a car for each kid. 
 

They’re also the ones that don’t let their kids outside in fear that someone will kidnap them. They have “play dates.” They text their children all day long and talk to them like they’re adults.

 

I blame Disney Channel for most of this.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Governor

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, Governor said:

It’s a trick. Gen Z has been hoarding wealth since 2010. 
 

You probably know a few. These people “lease” iPhones for the family, a car for each kid. 
 

They’re also the ones that don’t let their kids outside in fear that someone will kidnap them. They have “play dates.” They text their children all day long and talk to them like they’re adults.

No offense, but I take it you don't have kids, or at least haven't had younger kids for a long time.

If you did you'd probably know that letting your kids run off by themselves to play with other kids in the neighborhood would make you a pariah at best; a subject of a child protective services investigation at worst. I had other parents criticize me because I let my 12 year old daughter and her friends unaccompanied at the mall under the condition that she sends me a selfie every half hour ... 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

24 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Sometimes I think the problem is that boomers are living too long. We keep hearing about generational wealth - boomers hoarding all of it with millennials and Gen Z left with the scraps we discard. Where do those millenials and Gen Z'ers think that wealth is going when we kick the bucket? The tax man, sure, but whatever's left goes straight to you ...

I don’t understand where all this generation wealth is but I’m fine if the government takes it as long as they start with the billionaires who pass it on to 7 generations and rig the political system.  

[Governor]

15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No offense, but I take it you don't have kids, or at least haven't had younger kids for a long time.

If you did you'd probably know that letting your kids run off by themselves to play with other kids in the neighborhood would make you a pariah at best; a subject of a child protective services investigation at worst. I had other parents criticize me because I let my 12 year old daughter and her friends unaccompanied at the mall under the condition that she sends me a selfie every half hour ... 

I will never live in a world that behaves that way. Lol. Look at what society has done to you. This is Irv’s fault.

 

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Edited September 14, 2021 by Governor

[Sundancer]

In the Covid thread, posters advocate not listening to their doctors on healthcare matters. In this thread, posters attack education. 
 

In all threads, PPP posters complain about how people in America are acting without sense. 
 

Just saying. 

[TSOL]

Do boys and girls learn differently? Is some curriculum better suited to one gender or another? 

 

Standardized  curriculum, makes about as much sense as making only one size shirt to fit everyone in the country. 

 

Similar to large sweeping social issues like vaccination., One policy to fit all is foolish. 

 

How about black children, do black children learn differently and respond to different teaching methods than others? And is there a gap? 

 

Standardized education is a nice baseline, but I feel it should be up to the parents to choose which educational path theyd like to see their kids follow. 

 

There are choices and options for parents when it comes to education for their kids, so while there may be differences in the way different children learn, i dont think that there is necessarily a gap. 

 

There are parents who prioritize education highly in their children and there are parents who dont. There isnt a gap between gender or color  

[Sundancer]

32 minutes ago, TSOL said:

Do boys and girls learn differently? Is some curriculum better suited to one gender or another? 

 

Standardized  curriculum, makes about as much sense as making only one size shirt to fit everyone in the country. 

 

Similar to large sweeping social issues like vaccination., One policy to fit all is foolish. 

 

How about black children, do black children learn differently and respond to different teaching methods than others? And is there a gap? 

 

Standardized education is a nice baseline, but I feel it should be up to the parents to choose which educational path theyd like to see their kids follow. 

 

There are choices and options for parents when it comes to education for their kids, so while there may be differences in the way different children learn, i dont think that there is necessarily a gap. 

 

There are parents who prioritize education highly in their children and there are parents who dont. There isnt a gap between gender or color  

Stay on target red leader. People choose  to go to college or not and in college choose their fields of study. General numbers how that men are choosing video games. Women, college. 

[TSOL]

22 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Stay on target red leader. People choose  to go to college or not and in college choose their fields of study. General numbers how that men are choosing video games. Women, college. 

 

 

As amusing as it is to watch people manipulate statistics to fit their narrative (has that taken over baseball as our new national past time yet?) 

 

Its also annoying to watch you generalize an entire demographic thread after thread. 

 

Remember when Tyrod Taylor was the passing completion percentage leader in the entire NFL? THAT is what generalized statistics get you. 

 

So guys are choosing video games while girls are choosing college, gotcha. Your wife is a very lucky woman now that she has you fully emasculated 

 

 

[Sundancer]

19 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

As amusing as it is to watch people manipulate statistics to fit their narrative (has that taken over baseball as our new national past time yet?) 

 

Its also annoying to watch you generalize an entire demographic thread after thread. 

 

Remember when Tyrod Taylor was the passing completion percentage leader in the entire NFL? THAT is what generalized statistics get you. 

 

So guys are choosing video games while girls are choosing college, gotcha. Your wife is a very lucky woman now that she has you fully emasculated 

 

 

You can’t bemoan that men are not going into trade professions or the service and also note that girls are filling colleges at a 50% higher clip and conclude that men are becoming electricians and doctors. If you don’t see shiftless men sitting at (their parents’) home, diving into Twitter conspiracies, abandoning their kids, playing fortnite, and smoking the now legal pot, you’re not paying much attention. Women are holding things together even more than normal. 

[oldmanfan]

14 hours ago, Governor said:

Yeah, I get all of that, but as a boomer, you’re missing what really happened, which has led to the feeling of dread that I think you mentioned earlier.

 

Around 2000…..(lol) W let a bunch of private schools prey on our military and most desperate. These folks were promised the world and took out high interest private loans to attend schools that are now out of business or lost accreditation along the way.

 

These are the loans being forgiven by Biden as we speak. These fly-by-night colleges all disappeared. Those degrees are worth less than an OJ Simpson rookie card.

 

It gets worse than that.

 

State universities started offering degrees in totally ridiculous fields like social media marketing, fashion design, animation, etc. and a whole host of others.

 

Its no wonder kids don’t want to attend college. It’s been a total scam for 20 years. I have no issues with people going back to trades. It’s recession proof.

Well now.  I have two daughters with what you might consider worthless degrees.  One is music theater, and with the pandemic there have been no auditions for 18 months.  But her degree program taught her skills such as resilience and creativity so she right now is working in a writing position where she makes very good money with full benefits, and has plans to go back to grad school so she can get her MFA and run a theater department or organization.  The other is pursuing a degree in music therapy, which happens to be a very hot degree for those interested in health care.  

[TSOL]

44 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

You can’t bemoan that men are not going into trade professions or the service and also note that girls are filling colleges at a 50% higher clip and conclude that men are becoming electricians and doctors. If you don’t see shiftless men sitting at (their parents’) home, diving into Twitter conspiracies, abandoning their kids, playing fortnite, and smoking the now legal pot, you’re not paying much attention. Women are holding things together even more than normal. 

 

 

I see kids in general staying in and in front of screens more now. Maybe for girls its more in front of the laptop and for boys its the xbox. 

 

I have elementary school aged kids and live in a family oriented neighborhood. And i definitely dont see as many kids playing outside as i used to. 

[Tiberius]

It's been just over 100 years since women got the right to vote. Thirty years since the Violence Against Women Act was signed by Bill Clinton and women are beginning to find their mojo on a wide scale. Culture has caught up to the promise of equality. Men are having trouble ditching the toxic masculinity baggage, though. 

15 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

I see kids in general staying in and in front of screens more now. Maybe for girls its more in front of the laptop and for boys its the xbox. 

 

I have elementary school aged kids and live in a family oriented neighborhood. And i definitely dont see as many kids playing outside as i used to. 

Are the kids in more organized school related sports activities? 

[Sundancer]

33 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Well now.  I have two daughters with what you might consider worthless degrees.  One is music theater, and with the pandemic there have been no auditions for 18 months.  But her degree program taught her skills such as resilience and creativity so she right now is working in a writing position where she makes very good money with full benefits, and has plans to go back to grad school so she can get her MFA and run a theater department or organization.  The other is pursuing a degree in music therapy, which happens to be a very hot degree for those interested in health care.  

 

The "useless degrees" comment is funny. I was an engineer and had grad school in it too. So clearly a "practical" degree by many accounts. I pretty much hated the degrees and the work but I did it because I was locked into this practical model of thinking.  

 

But this idea that an English or Classics or History or Philosophy degree is useless misses the point that yes, actually, learning to think and write critically is important. No, there are not many philosophy jobs. (WTF would that even look like?) But there are lots of jobs and people who have shown that they can communicate, read, and think critically can get those jobs and move to other jobs. 

 

My mom was an English major. She writes government proposals in her field. My cousin was a history major. He is CEO of a business consulting company. My brother is an engineer who works in child care (!). My wife was an economics major who is a social worker. The "useless" degrees are not always making you into what you're studying. 

 

Yes to the points others made, if you're studying philosophy, I hope someone in your life is making sure that you understand the economics of paying 70K/year at a private university and your earning potential especially early on, but by all means study what you want. Life is short. Anyone can be happy. 

 

And despite all this, men are not going into trades or going to college. It's a problem. 

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Men are having trouble ditching the toxic masculinity baggage, though. 

 

 

Fo sho

 

This place could use a more representative opinion base. The white dude quotient is skewed. 

[TSOL]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Are the kids in more organized school related sports activities? 

 

 

Some yes, some no. Many of them i know for a fact spend way too much time in front of a screen. 

 

I do believe at this age girls mature more quickly than boys and that may account for some of this education gap

[OrangeBills]

This is simply a function of the of the overreach of the Federal Gov't into our lives with Regulations that, surprise(!), lead to societal inefficiencies

 

Title 9 was enacted when the split was 54% Male/46% Female...now it's an egregious graduation split of 65%/35% the other way, but we don't seem to care.

 

Also, the Feds ingeniously felt that subsidizing the Consumer would help Collegiate finance, when of course it only really helped the Supplier (because Gov't is stupid).

 

So here we are, in a world where among other things Men's Sports are limited because of Federal laws and men are creatively being added to Women's sports rosters to help balance out a disingenuous law.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

26 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

And despite all this, men are not going into trades or going to college. It's a problem.

Isn’t this what the libs want?? Can’t think of a better way to dismantle the patriarchy. 
 

wanting to be educated is what causes one to educate themselves and in today’s world anyone can do it from anywhere. 

College buys a ticket to to enter the workforce a few rungs higher on the ladder and that’s the economic trade off.  A lot of people do this math very poorly. Then most people then spend decades saving money so someday they don’t have to work any more. 
 

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, OrangeBills said:

This is simply a function of the of the overreach of the Federal Gov't into our lives with Regulations that, surprise(!), lead to societal inefficiencies

 

Title 9 was enacted when the split was 54% Male/46% Female...now it's an egregious graduation split of 65%/35% the other way, but we don't seem to care.

 

Also, the Feds ingeniously felt that subsidizing the Consumer would help Collegiate finance, when of course it only really helped the Supplier (because Gov't is stupid).

 

So here we are, in a world where among other things Men's Sports are limited because of Federal laws and men are creatively being added to Women's sports rosters to help balance out a disingenuous law.

No. Women are just more motivated and empowered now by personal ambition. 

[TSOL]

Men will be fine. The highly educated coastal feminists will always need someone to fix their cars, their roofs, build them houses, provide security, stuff like that. Physical stuff, the kind of stuff guys are good at. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, TSOL said:

 

 

I see kids in general staying in and in front of screens more now. Maybe for girls its more in front of the laptop and for boys its the xbox. 

 

I have elementary school aged kids and live in a family oriented neighborhood. And i definitely dont see as many kids playing outside as i used to. 

True.  And sad.

[Sundancer]

32 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Isn’t this what the libs want?? Can’t think of a better way to dismantle the patriarchy. 
 

 

What are you talking about? Is dismantling the trades part of your conspiracy mindset? Take a breath brother!