Inactivating Zach Moss

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

For what it is worth, multiple statistical sites had Moss as a top 5 pass blocking RB in 2020.

Not bad for a rookie in pass protect. Singletary did not make the list anywhere.

 

When the OL fails in blocking 4-5 in pass rush, wouldn't a back with a 90+ pass block ability be handy?

Maybe. The fact he also gets 4+ YPC regardless of formation may be a strong sign you should play him.

Draw play, trap, screen, what is that? We don't do that in Buffalo.

 

Run the draw play with Moss FFS.

 

Moss should be RB1 in a pass first offense because he can block and run. Singletary is a nasty RB2 if used properly.

Breida is a luxury RB. Not the other way around.

 

I protect my $250 million dollar QB with my best pass blocking RB, who is a grinder, but maybe I am dumb.

That is Moss.

 

Why is Buffalo calling QB runs without their best non OL blocker???

I don't design multiple runs for my $250 Million dollar man without a blocking TE or RB active on my active roster.

No good blocking TE, no good blocking RB, run Josh Allen multiple times. Genius.

 

Maybe I am wrong?

 

I see too much 1990's Houston Run and Shoot here to make real noise.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

If part of your game plan includes Zach Moss on the sideline in civvies, your gameplan is ****ed up.

100% correct!!  My opinion is he is your best pass protector and toughest runner.  I feel as though there was so much blame to go around, coaching, gameplan, etc.  This was mind-boggling 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm puzzled by this move as well but I would disagree about Moss in pass protection, Singletary is much better in that area and probably why he's still the primary back for now.

 

Per PFF and other stats based sites, Moss was a much better Pass Protector than Singletary. Moss is considered top 10 in Pass protection in every metric driven site. Singletary doesn't even register. I don't hate Singletary, I just see him as a RB #2 on a SB winning team.

 

Moss offers another level of Pass Blocking that the other Buffalo RBs don't. The fact he can get 4 YPC is another feather in the cap.

 

Moss lacks in a lot of situations. I don't think he is a stud, but he is the best RB Buffalo has, for what they want to do.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

100% correct!!  My opinion is he is your best pass protector and toughest runner.  I feel as though there was so much blame to go around, coaching, gameplan, etc.  This was mind-boggling 

 

Agree 100%. Idiotic. Moss is the best non OL blocker on the team. May want him available to help chip a DE.

 

Buffalo thinks it is smarter than it is.

 

At some point all football games come down to power. Does Breida, Singletary, or Moss excite?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Per PFF and other stats based sites, Moss was a much better Pass Protector than Singletary. Moss is considered top 10 in Pass protection in every metric driven site. Singletary doesn't even register. I don't hate Singletary, I just see him as a RB #2 on a SB winning team.

 

Moss offers another level of Pass Blocking that the other Buffalo RBs don't. The fact he can get 4 YPC is another feather in the cap.

 

Moss lacks in a lot of situations. I don't think he is a stud, but he is the best RB Buffalo has, for what they want to do.

 

For this game, anyway, I think Breida was important to the Bills as a backup KR/PR.  But I think they may need to revisit who they activate at other positions to make room for Moss on the gameday roster.  Sweeney doesn't play ST either, and he played what, 3 snaps or something? 

[NewEra]

Clearly because they don’t give a crap about keeping anyone additional in to pass block.  Maybe the coaches read TBD and believed that Daryl Williams could block Watt 1 on 1 again……and that Feliciano is a good OL…..and that this particular OL was only on the field for 2 snaps together last year and will be improved this year.

 

I almost believed it after reading it 3759392 times.  

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This team puts so much emphasis on STs for the active roster on game day…then the STs always sucks anyway and lost us the game yesterday. We have to stop giving these valuable spots to guys that can ONLY play STs. It’s too much. It’s important but not important enough to undress impact players.

Are ST coverage was great yesterday, our blocking on the blocked punt was bad. Haack had 2 punts inside the 20 and we allowed 5 return yards. 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For this game, anyway, I think Breida was important to the Bills as a backup KR/PR.  But I think they may need to revisit who they activate at other positions to make room for Moss on the gameday roster.  Sweeney doesn't play ST either, and he played what, 3 snaps or something? 

 

I appreciate your point of view. I disagree. There was room to make other personnel decisions. Moss was not one them. When PIT came back in the 3rd and 4th quarter there were no reinforcements available to block there front 4, other than Spencer Brown. No blocking TE, no blocking RB.

 

TOTAL FAIL

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm puzzled by this move as well but I would disagree about Moss in pass protection, Singletary is much better in that area and probably why he's still the primary back for now.

 

I would like to know how you reached this conclusion?

 

His rookie season, Singletary was poor at pass protection.  Nothing against Singletary - he improved to "OK" last season, but Moss could really "bring it". 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

I appreciate your point of view. I disagree. There was room to make other personnel decisions. Moss was not one them. When PIT came back in the 3rd and 4th quarter there were no reinforcements available to block there front 4, other than Spencer Brown. No blocking TE, no blocking RB.

 

TOTAL FAIL

 

What part of "I think they may need to revisit who they activate at other positions to make room for Moss on the gameday roster.  Sweeney doesn't play ST either, and he played what, 3 snaps or something?" did you disagree with exactly?

 

The thing is @ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin, I didn't see us in a lot of (1,1) sets even in the 3rd and 4th Q, did you?  I need to watch again but I'm gonna guess "no".

 

And Knox isn't a pass blocking specialist, but both he and Sweeney can block.  Bates has also blocked as an extra OLman.

 

So with respect, while I agree Moss should have been a gameday active, there are several issues  being conflated here.  The Bills could have provided extra protection WITH the players they had active, and in fact one could have argued that if they scratched Sweeney in favor of Moss they were taking out a good blocker (but I would argue that Moss has shown more.  That block on Bosa!  *swoon*)

 

I think they needed to have Breida active as a KR/PR, but I also think they could have made other choices and found room for Moss.

 

 

 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would like to know how you reached this conclusion?

 

His rookie season, Singletary was poor at pass protection.  Nothing against Singletary - he improved to "OK" last season, but Moss could really "bring it". 

 

 

 

Every metric shows Moss to be the better blocker. It is not even close. Singletary is a 2nd level guy in every measurable metric. (He is actually 3rd level, but I don't need to pile on)

 

I'm not saying Moss is a #1 RB, but in this offense, and the lack of other RB for balance, he is.

 

Moss is the clear RB #1 based on blocking and 4 YPC alone. He is not optimal.

Singletary is a devastating RB#2, nothing else. His hands and build are not RB #1 worthy. Brieda can break one, but not an every down back.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

I still don't understand why they left Moss, our best pass protection RB, inactive against one of the top 5 DLs. Idiotic decision.

 

It is clear to me the idea was to go 4 or 5 wide all game, pressure be d@mned. Having a chess piece like Moss who can help change up blocking assignments if the front 5 is struggling allows flexibility. Buffalo has 0 blocking TE to speak of. Breida has never been a (+) blocker. You give up blocking and catching with him in. This is why he has been cut so many times. He is fast, and will break one occasionally, but signals a rush.

 

Singletary is replacement level at blocking, and does not have natural hands. We all saw it. Moss may not be the runner Singletary is, but he adds a pass protection level the other backs don't, and he can chug out 4 YPC. His hands have been equal to Singletary given the targets they have had.

 

Poor game plan and scheme. Total failure to understand the opponent and what they will do.

 

Buffalo was going to go 4-5 wide all game and announced it by sitting Moss. This decision and the empty sets allowed Pitt to drop 6 and 7 into zone coverage with no fear. If the front 4 can get pressure, and drop the rest, you beat Buffalo. Unfortunately (PIT/KC/TB/WAS etc) can all do it. It is the recipe to beat the Bills. Have a (+) 4 man pass rush and drop 6-7 in coverage. They have to figure out how to beat a (+) 4 man rush. Sitting Moss is idiotic. He can pick up the loose defender and can still get 4 ypc should Buffalo actually run the ball.

 

Buffalo needs to become more proficient in a 3WR/1TE/1RB set or 4WR/ RB set. Moss is the best fit for both because of his blocking and running ability.

 

This game came down to arrogance and an inability to change up blocking schemes because Buffalo's best non OL blocker was inactive.

you are preaching to the choir. Yet, we have seen the exact same deficient gameplan now two games in a row (AFCCG and yesterday). 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

Moss is the clear RB #1 based on blocking and 4 YPC alone. He is not optimal.

Singletary is a devastating RB#2, nothing else. His hands and build are not RB #1 worthy. Brieda can break one, but not an every down back.

 

Well, clearly the coaches disagree with you going into the season.  Time will tell.

[Buffalo Junction]

52 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Per PFF and other stats based sites, Moss was a much better Pass Protector than Singletary. Moss is considered top 10 in Pass protection in every metric driven site. Singletary doesn't even register. I don't hate Singletary, I just see him as a RB #2 on a SB winning team.

 

Moss offers another level of Pass Blocking that the other Buffalo RBs don't. The fact he can get 4 YPC is another feather in the cap.

 

Moss lacks in a lot of situations. I don't think he is a stud, but he is the best RB Buffalo has, for what they want to do.

Moss and Singletary offer different attributes as pass blockers. Moss is substantially better if you have a DE break free on the edge or a blitzing secondary player. Where Singletary shines is being able to jump between gaps to assist with interior pressure. Singletary is going to be devalued on analytic sites compared to Moss as his strengths aren’t really noticed by the mathheads. He’s too small to stonewall a DT, but he can jump across the formation, get a hat on a DT and buy Allen a second to throw or scramble. Most RBs don’t possess that skill set. 

[PolishDave]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This team puts so much emphasis on STs for the active roster on game day…then the STs always sucks anyway and lost us the game yesterday. We have to stop giving these valuable spots to guys that can ONLY play STs. It’s too much. It’s important but not important enough to undress impact players.

 

To the ST credit though, they did start the game by executing a kickoff return deep into the opponents territory.     And from that red zone start the offense screwed the pooch and had to settle for 3.

 

4 trips to red zone I think?  only 1 TD.   No bueno.

[The Jokeman]

30 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

Every metric shows Moss to be the better blocker. It is not even close. Singletary is a 2nd level guy in every measurable metric. (He is actually 3rd level, but I don't need to pile on)

 

I'm not saying Moss is a #1 RB, but in this offense, and the lack of other RB for balance, he is.

 

Moss is the clear RB #1 based on blocking and 4 YPC alone. He is not optimal.

Singletary is a devastating RB#2, nothing else. His hands and build are not RB #1 worthy. Brieda can break one, but not an every down back.

You realize Motor has a better YPC than Moss last season? Yes Moss had his moments but think Devin is a tad underrated.

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

So many hot takes

You don’t remember those 2 plays Moss made all year ? 
 

Let’s all pretend he would’ve made a difference 🤦🏼‍♂️

[Sugar High JA17]

Draft Kings / SB Nation : Wrote

The team kept Matt Breida active as Singletary’s backup. After the game, the team said it was a numbers decision in activating backup tight end Tommy Sweeney over Moss. Of course, Sweeney only played two snaps and was a third tight end behind Dawson Knox and Reggie Gilliam.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, BLO_RIO said:

Draft Kings / SB Nation : Wrote

The team kept Matt Breida active as Singletary’s backup. After the game, the team said it was a numbers decision in activating backup tight end Tommy Sweeney over Moss. Of course, Sweeney only played two snaps and was a third tight end behind Dawson Knox and Reggie Gilliam.

 

I think Draft Kings is mis-quoting Coach McDermott.  He said it was a numbers decision and that Breida is "very important to us on Special Teams".  He never specifically said it was Moss vs. Sweeney.

[MPT]

When I saw that Moss was a scratch I thought we'd be seeing a lot of 11 or 12 sets to chip block their DL with some bigger bodies and set up some short routes as relief valves for any pressure.

 

Turns out, nope. Just didn't even take into account one of the best DLs in the league and decided to go 00 even when it was painfully obvious it wasn't working.