The 4th down play, executed properly

[The Firebaugh Kid]

https://fb.watch/7-oQ7lbzN8/

Sorry it's a Facebook link, but Buffalo Fanatics posted the 2001 version of the same play (which was successful) and then yesterday's debacle in contrast. If you don't have Facebook:

A) God bless you for making the right choice

B) sorry, I haven't seen this anywhere else to share it from

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Didn’t watch the link, but is this the long gain on fake 4th down QB sneak vs Seahawks?

 

Thats what I thought of when I saw us run it yesterday 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Didn’t watch the link, but is this the long gain on fake 4th down QB sneak vs Seahawks?

 

Thats what I thought of when I saw us run it yesterday 

Yes sir! It's crazy. Literally the same play. 

[Bangarang]

Breida and Gilliam didn’t sell the fake sneak well at all.

[0017]

Ya expect the one that worked had no wr on the outside and the motion they did have took a defender with them. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Yes sir! It's crazy. Literally the same play. 

IIRC, they even added it to Buffalo’s playbook in Madden the next year

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

Excellent, not EXACTLY the same play with one HUGE difference.

 

Yesterday we had Isiah McKenzie split out wide left, he goes in motion, stops right behind Allen and they hike the ball.  What Isiah moving did was have the covering CB on him follow him RIGHT to where the play was being developed.  Also in the first play that worked, they moved the TE to the right of the line trying to sell the fact they were going to run and the QB (11) did a better job at selling the run as well.  Two huge differences but the motion by Isaiah was really what helped blow it up.

Edited September 13, 2021 by RoyBatty is alive

[dorquemada]

Yeah that play was definitely Daboll's Master's Thesis for his Clown College degree.

 

The committee advanced him.

[ngbills]

The earlier play was for one executed much better from the run fake to OL sell out. Not to mention look at the numbers - original play had one guy on the outside vs multiple defenders yesterday partially due to a wr going in  motion bringing the QB over. It was plain ugly. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

The earlier play was for one executed much better from the run fake to OL sell out. Not to mention look at the numbers - original play had one guy on the outside vs multiple defenders yesterday partially due to a wr going in  motion bringing the QB over. It was plain ugly. 

one key point is the distance. The Seahawks had to sell out on the sneak since it was 4th and inches. Steelers couldn’t because it was a long yard— they kept everyone at home and played disciplined in the event of a handoff to the RB. 
 

Also having Breida (the speedster) out there was a dead giveaway that it might be a pitch. 

[msw2112]

I had a deja vu when watching the play yesterday - and it was the play you show here.  That may have been the highlight of the Mularkey era.  Credit the Steelers staff for their extensive film review.  I'm kidding of course...  But when I saw the formation, I knew exactly what the play was going to be.  If I knew it, I'm sure the Steelers did too.  I would have been OK with the QB sneak or a play action quick slant to the TE.

Edited September 13, 2021 by msw2112

[foreboding]

In his presser, Coach Mac didn't sound too thrilled about the offense "throwing the ball backwards."

[dorquemada]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

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Also having Breida (the speedster) out there was a dead giveaway that it might be a pitch. 

 

Another problem with Daboll's schemes is that any time there's an RB on the field, it's a run.  Some pedant will point out the 15% of plays where that's not true but for the vast majority of plays where there's a RB lined up in the backfield, that's what's gonna happen. Allen & Co aren't good enough to telegraph plays and get away with them

[WhoTom]

The fourth down play, executed properly, is a QB sneak resulting in a 2-yard gain.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Breida and Gilliam didn’t sell the fake sneak well at all.

 

Nor did the line or Allen. If you compare those two plays the 2001 Bills sell the whole thing better. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

one key point is the distance. The Seahawks had to sell out on the sneak since it was 4th and inches. Steelers couldn’t because it was a long yard— they kept everyone at home and played disciplined in the event of a handoff to the RB. 
 

Also having Breida (the speedster) out there was a dead giveaway that it might be a pitch. 

 

 

Good point.

 

Looking at it more, #41 Gilliam did a horrible job blocking the Pitt defender, Sutton? who single handed beat Gilliam and got the tackle for loss.

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nor did the line or Allen. If you compare those two plays the 2001 Bills sell the whole thing better. 

True BUT as someone else pointed out versus Seattle, and we had a tight formation,   as well as all the other aforementioned mistakes on that play.

Edited September 13, 2021 by RoyBatty is alive

[The Firebaugh Kid]

3 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

The fourth down play, executed properly, is a QB sneak resulting in a 2-yard gain.

 

 

Well said. Until they stop it, Josh plowing forward should be the call every time. 

[Bangarang]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nor did the line or Allen. If you compare those two plays the 2001 Bills sell the whole thing better. 

Agreed. 

[zow2]

Josh sold it horribly, but the Steelers DB made the play by not following McKenzie all the way when he went in motion.  The Pittsburgh guy made a nice play and blew the whole thing up.  

[dezertbill]

Breida began sprinting left right away.  That tipped off the CB on the end as well as DE.  Had he just casually jogged up it may have worked.  Plus a bad sell by Josh.  Fitz did it better

Edited September 13, 2021 by dezertbill