If Allen can't fix this fumbling issue, we aren't going very far

[JerseyBills]

I haven't seen this discussed much and feel it deserves its own thread. 

2 more fumbles yesterday! 1 turnover,  but this has plauged him threw 3 years and was expecting him to clean this up entering this year. 

Plan and simple, if Allen can't find a resolution to this issue and it continues to impact his game, I don't think we ever make it out of the AFC. 

These fumbles will cost us playoff games in the future

Edited September 14, 2021 by JerseyBills

[TBBills]

Bills went very far last year.

[Johnnycage46]

We should get a separate thread for every single reason why "the Bills won't go very far...if x,y,z doesn't go right".

[Mango]

There were some issues yesterday that far surpass Allen’s fumble. Like staring down receivers pre snap, not identifying the open receiver only to throw into the double

covered primary, as well as issues controlling arc and velocity on long balls.

 

Ill trade any of the above issues before I even think about his fumbling. 

[LABILLBACKER]

There's still 2 fixable issues he apparently hasn't addressed yet.

1. Ball security 

2. Deep throw trajectory....everything else about his game I love. But he's known about these problems since year 1.

[Jobot]

Poor game plan that over-used the qb draw play. This wasn't fooling anyone on the Steelers all day.. but they kept trying it for some dumb reason. Can't expect Allen to play running back, the whole point of his running is to utilize it in selective circumstances.

[HOUSE]

I agree with that guy from Jersey. It can't continue.

 

😬

Edited September 13, 2021 by HOUSE

[zow2]

Same with throwing 25 yards downfield on 3rd down into double/triple coverage for the huge play when the easy 8-12 yard dumpoff is right there.  He can't control himself.

 

Yeah the fumbling is an issue that he could clean up if he chooses to concentrate on it.   I'm good with him falling forward on 4th and shorts...or scrambling on broken pass plays.  But i can do without all the called runs for Allen.  Not only is there a high rate of fumbling, but they are placing him in harms way, for what...4-5 yards?!? Often times less.

[JerseyBills]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

There were some issues yesterday that far surpass Allen’s fumble. Like staring down receivers pre snap, not identifying the open receiver only to throw into the double

covered primary, as well as issues controlling arc and velocity on long balls.

 

Ill trade any of the above issues before I even think about his fumbling. 

Ya he was very bad overall and those things are being discussed and I agree on everything you said except I put fumbling right up there. I mean a turnover can completely change a game and if this continues , alot more of his fumbles will be for turnovers

[BillsFanForever19]

The one he lost was a blind side sack strip. It happens to everyone. Mario did it to Ben in the same game. Not a whole lot you can do when a guy you don't see coming smacks the ball while you're holding it in one hand trying to get a pass off.

Edited September 13, 2021 by BillsFanForever19

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's still 2 fixable issues he apparently hasn't addressed yet.

1. Ball security 

2. Deep throw trajectory....everything else about his game I love. But he's known about these problems since year 1.

How in the hell with his work ethic he hasnt addressed this?  He had to have addressed it, just wasn't fixed .  Daniel Jones of the NYGiants is a fumble liability, in 28 games he has 30 fumbles,

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Same with throwing 25 yards downfield on 3rd down into double/triple coverage for the huge play when the easy 8-12 yard dumpoff is right there.  He can't control himself.

 

Yeah the fumbling is an issue that he could clean up if he chooses to concentrate on it.   I'm good with him falling forward on 4th and shorts...or scrambling on broken pass plays.  But i can do without all the called runs for Allen.  Not only is there a high rate of fumbling, but they are placing him in harms way, for what...4-5 yards?!? Often times less.

 

He controlled himself last year.

 

Agree 100% on the designed runs for Allen that aren't short yardage.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

There were some issues yesterday that far surpass Allen’s fumble. Like staring down receivers pre snap, not identifying the open receiver only to throw into the double

covered primary, as well as issues controlling arc and velocity on long balls.

 

Ill trade any of the above issues before I even think about his fumbling. 

 

Yes, This.

 

Also people like to talk about "fumbling issues" as though they're a single cause.  They aren't.

 

There are three categories of fumbling issues:

1) Allen fumbling as a runner

2) Allen fumbling on a QB-C exchange

3) Allen fumbling on a strip sack

 

Allen worked pretty diligently on 1) in 2019 after he had 3 fumbles in the Eagles game and 2 in the Washington game, and learned to tuck it into the "Bills claw" and put his second arm over it when anticipating contact or in traffic.  Allen back-slid on this last season and yesterday, and it needs to be re-addressed, Pronto.  Once he has made his decision to run, he can not carry the ball in his hand, like bait, daring the defense to emerge from the astroturf and smack at it.

 

The QB-C exchange usually gets chalked up to Allen as a fumble but it may not be his fault, and needs to be addressed with both C and QB

 

The strip sack fumbles are probably never going to be eliminated.  They're pretty much the cost of doing business with a QB who tries to extend the play and avoid the throw-away as much as Allen does.  But they can be reduced by emphasizing "throw it away, live for the next down".

 

 

[MAJBobby]

15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I haven't seen this discussed much and feel it deserves its own thread. 

2 more fumbles yesterday! 1 turnover,  but this has plauged him threw 3 years and was expecting him to clean this up entering this year. 

Plan and simple, if Allen can't find a resolution to this issue and it continues to impact his game, I don't think we ever make it out of the AFC. 

While I agree somewhat. I do not blame him for the Strip Sack on Watt. 9/10 QBs will have that end in a fumble. Ben had one too just happened to recover it. But ***** if you want to run Josh PROTECT THE DAMN BALL. 

[Success]

They talked about this after the 1st few games last year, where he also fumbled frequently.

 

Then, he didn't. For most of the rest of the season.  Not worried.

 

[wiseman3]

Fumbling on a blind side strip sack from TJ Watt isn't what I would call ball security issues. That ball is coming out a majority of the time no matter who the QB is. 

[Bangarang]

I have a bigger issue with his deep ball accuracy than the fumbles 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

31 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I haven't seen this discussed much and feel it deserves its own thread. 

2 more fumbles yesterday! 1 turnover,  but this has plauged him threw 3 years and was expecting him to clean this up entering this year. 

Plan and simple, if Allen can't find a resolution to this issue and it continues to impact his game, I don't think we ever make it out of the AFC. 

He's reckless when he runs. 

 

There is no two ways about that. 

[HeHateMe]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I have a bigger issue with his deep ball accuracy than the fumbles 

This.. it's becoming a problem not being able to hit the big plays when they are there to be made.. The problem with going for long drives is our O-line is going to get called for a hold sooner or later with Allen holding the ball..

[JMF2006]

Every player that is on offense is going to fumble at some point.

 

Give him the facility ball.....he needs to carry it around the facility and anyone can swipe at it at anytime

Edited September 13, 2021 by JMF2006

[Milanos Milano]

32 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Bills went very far last year.

Fortunately participation trophies mean nothing. We failed, just like all the other teams not named TB. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by IronMaidenBills