If it's 4th and short, the play call is easy... or should be

[Rat-boy]

Dorsey tried to get cute today on that play.

[boyst]

Can someone post a link of the play?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

History sure does repeat itself 😅

[John from Riverside]

I would’ve even been OK if we gave it to one of our power backs

 

Anything other than what we actually did on that play

[Eastport bills]

On 9/12/2021 at 5:54 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Now this stat is from about 6 years ago, but between 1999-2015, a QB sneak on 4th and 2 or less were successful 89.7% of the time.

https://sports.sites.yale.edu/success-short-yardage-play-types-fourth-down

 

Now, granted... on 4th and 1 it drops to 82.8% for the QB Sneak, but that's still significantly more successful than the 63.4% success rate of all non QB run plays, but an 82%+ percent success rate on 4th and short along with having a 6'5, 240+ lb QB makes the answer obvious.

 

Any (and I mean ANY) time it's 4th and short (definitely less than 1... 2 or less in certain parts of the field) you don't huddle up... you don't take timeouts... you run up and hike the darn ball and run Allen under center for the 1st down!

 

This has been a huge frustration of mine ever since we've drafted Allen. That's on Daboll... period.

Especially with Josh and the backfield pushing his hindquarters. With a yard or less it’s a no brainer.

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Okay... I know this is 2 years old and CoC for old threads states  "This topic is OLD. A NEW topic should be started unless there is a very specific reason to revive this one." but there is a very specific reason to revive it.

 

I'm sick of lining up in Shotgun almost every single 3rd and 4th and short!!!

 

When is McDermott going to realize that Josh is automatic on the QB Sneak?!?!

Only pr8oblem there is one Hendon collision where helmets crash with he a von force  and you could be looking at a out of commission Franchize qb have the oline to part a hole as if they were Moses parting the red sea.  Then you can have any of our backs  get the 4th and short without risking Josh's health short and long term.  

 

 

[DeltaDigital]

On 9/12/2021 at 5:54 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Now this stat is from about 6 years ago, but between 1999-2015, a QB sneak on 4th and 2 or less were successful 89.7% of the time.

https://sports.sites.yale.edu/success-short-yardage-play-types-fourth-down

 

Now, granted... on 4th and 1 it drops to 82.8% for the QB Sneak, but that's still significantly more successful than the 63.4% success rate of all non QB run plays, but an 82%+ percent success rate on 4th and short along with having a 6'5, 240+ lb QB makes the answer obvious.

 

Any (and I mean ANY) time it's 4th and short (definitely less than 1... 2 or less in certain parts of the field) you don't huddle up... you don't take timeouts... you run up and hike the darn ball and run Allen under center for the 1st down!

 

This has been a huge frustration of mine ever since we've drafted Allen. That's on Daboll... period.

Absolutely spot on. Our dude is 6’5” 250… it’s a 1000% certainty they convert on 3rd or 4th and 1 or less running a sneak. EVERY EFFING TIME. Maddening to watch Philly do it, yet buffalo wants to get cute… maddening 

[drab08]

why, and most importantly - how - was this revived?

 

I mean, I'm not even mad, I'm impressed (in my best Ron Burgundy)

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

Only pr8oblem there is one Hendon collision where helmets crash with he a von force  and you could be looking at a out of commission Franchize qb have the oline to part a hole as if they were Moses parting the red sea.  Then you can have any of our backs  get the 4th and short without risking Josh's health short and long term.  

I can't say I've seen a QB injured on a sneak before. Maybe it has happened, I'm not sure, but it is not common. Tom Brady did it all the time. If Tom Brady can risk his body to do it, Josh Allen should be able to as well.

[vincec]

15 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Especially with Josh and the backfield pushing his hindquarters. With a yard or less it’s a no brainer.

I’ve literally never seen that stopped for less than a yard since teams started pushing the QB from behind. I don’t see a reason to call anything else until they change the rules honestly

Edited September 25, 2023 by vincec

[Slack_in_MA]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

I can't say I've seen a QB injured on a sneak before. Maybe it has happened, I'm not sure, but it is not common. Tom Brady did it all the time. If Tom Brady can risk his body to do it, Josh Allen should be able to as well.

The play call was asinine. Fortunately it wasn't a significant factor this time.

[Eastport bills]

2 minutes ago, vincec said:

I’ve literally never seen that stopped for less than a yard since teams started pushing the QB from behind. I doesn’t see a reason to call anything else until they change the rules honestly

It’s such a sure thing that they are running it from the victory formation and there’s 3 big dudes in close proximity to the QB ready to push like there lives depended on it. There getting 2or 3 yds on the play.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Okay... I know this is 2 years old and CoC for old threads states  "This topic is OLD. A NEW topic should be started unless there is a very specific reason to revive this one." but there is a very specific reason to revive it.

 

I'm sick of lining up in Shotgun almost every single 3rd and 4th and short!!!

 

When is McDermott going to realize that Josh is automatic on the QB Sneak?!?!

 

We ran sneaks last week. I have no issue in a game that was not close with putting something else on tape for future opponents to gameplan for and think about. Just not sure THAT is the play I'd have put on tape. 

17 minutes ago, MJS said:

I can't say I've seen a QB injured on a sneak before. Maybe it has happened, I'm not sure, but it is not common. Tom Brady did it all the time. If Tom Brady can risk his body to do it, Josh Allen should be able to as well.

 

Mahomes got hurt on a sneak. 2020 maybe?