Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Seen a few posters say the same before. Have wondered about it myself. Coaches appear to be happy with him at MLB though. Don't know if they have ever attempted to try him at OLB in practice or anything, but it does kinda make you curious if he'd be better there. The whole "Edmunds would be much better at OLB than MLB" appears premised upon the theory that observant, football-knowledgeable fans on a message board have superior player evaluation and football acumen to guys who are paid multi-millions per year by professional teams to evaluate players and win football games. Huh. In defense of this theory, the Bills had years during The Drought (aka the Long Mediocrity) when arguably, a group of knowledgeable observant fans off this board could quite likely have drafted better, and possibly coached better. On the other hand, now that the Bills have had winning seasons and gone to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years, I think this theory is open to question. Maybe Edmunds is playing MLB, a team captain, and just had his 5th year option picked up because he's doing what McDermott wants of him, more often than not (of course, McDermott wants more) 2 1
Blainorama5 Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: Interesting so it's 3 Defense 2 Offense 3 Special Teams. The offense is so good they only need TWO Captains!! 🤪 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: No Jerry - his wife not amused Jerry's been a Capt before - he'll get over it. His wife... ? .... maybe not.
ColoradoBills Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 Tyler "Dirty Red" Matakevich is the Lead Captain on Special Teams IMO. 1
Buffalo716 Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: A lot of our senior leadership on the team is on defense and I do feel like they specifically try to spread it between the 3 phases. I feel every team has 2 ST Captain's
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Seen a few posters say the same before. Have wondered about it myself. Coaches appear to be happy with him at MLB though. Don't know if they have ever attempted to try him at OLB in practice or anything, but it does kinda make you curious if he'd be better there. He calls the plays, he's got the headset, and he and the safeties make the checks. Him and Milano both do a lot of the same things when they're in nickel. As for their standard 4-3, putting him at Will would put milano at mike where he's undersized. 1
MJS Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Process said: Do players vote for captains, or coaches decide? Jerry should be a captain without a doubt. 3 hours ago, SWATeam said: It is very odd Just because he is oldest? I like players they chose on defense. 2 hours ago, DJB said: Edmunds captain? Like is it more of a participation badge or something in his case? Captain almost every year. I guess the organization likes him more than you. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The whole "Edmunds would be much better at OLB than MLB" appears premised upon the theory that observant, football-knowledgeable fans on a message board have superior player evaluation and football acumen to guys who are paid multi-millions per year by professional teams to evaluate players and win football games. Huh. In defense of this theory, the Bills had years during The Drought (aka the Long Mediocrity) when arguably, a group of knowledgeable observant fans off this board could quite likely have drafted better, and possibly coached better. On the other hand, now that the Bills have had winning seasons and gone to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years, I think this theory is open to question. Maybe Edmunds is playing MLB, a team captain, and just had his 5th year option picked up because he's doing what McDermott wants of him, more often than not (of course, McDermott wants more) I like how you tied it to the scars of our past. Yes a solid 45% of this board could run the organization better than Rex. 😉 not so much now. These guys are tops and the only thing Rex is running is his mouth, as appropriate. Edited September 7, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I like how you tied it to the scars of our past. Yes a solid 45% of this board could run the organization better than Rex. 😉 not so much now. These guys are tops and the only thing Rex is running is his mouth, as appropriate. He's what, the best MLB buffalo has had since probably Fletcher? And fletcher's career kind of coincides with adams/williams as his DTs, and playing alongside takeo. Poz was known for a lot of the same problems in the run game, and wasn't as capable in pass coverage. Preston Brown was a jag. Kelvin Sheppard is known as the guy we traded to get hughes. Kiko had some flash, but as we've seen with him since he left buffalo he is not very good. Mitchell, Barnett, Spikes, shall i continue?
First Round Bust Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 Joe Gibbs on his great run with the skins back in the day, said we will never be out-captained, psycho edge more than anything...some locker room cred for some leadership...but on a more important note I think McD has a players leadership group or used to ? to help with communication and points of emphasis which would be helpful with culture, communication and two-way feedback coach(es) and team...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe Edmunds is playing MLB, a team captain, and just had his 5th year option picked up because he's doing what McDermott wants of him, more often than not (of course, McDermott wants more) Or maybe they have invested so much time on the assumption that he would become a great MLB that even if he's been a disappointment they would need someone to step up and take the job before they moved him and went thru THAT learning curve of converting him to a pass rusher or a less cognitively demanding off-ball position. His defenders assume they are thrilled with his play........but if you recall last season McDermott said in a mid-season PC that Edmunds needed to play better.............an extremely rare public criticism of a player of any kind from McD.
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I like how you tied it to the scars of our past. Yes a solid 45% of this board could run the organization better than Rex. 😉 not so much now. These guys are tops and the only thing Rex is running is his mouth, as appropriate. The whole "they were right for putting Edmunds at MLB because they are more capable of running the organization" argument is a false equivalency. Individual moves can still be wrong..........philosophies can be wrong.........and sometimes they convene like the Kelvin Benjamin trade. Try to keep in mind that the McBeane of 2017-2018 is not necessarily the same quality of decision maker that the seasoned 2021 version is. For example........ McDermott effectively trading Patrick Mahomes..........the league's most valued player for 3 years running........to an AFC rival and having that rival win a SB and reach another directly at the expense of the Bills. Edited September 7, 2021 by BADOLBILZ 1
billsfan89 Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 One thing that has separated McBeane from past administrations is the attention to detail on the roster. In the past the team would just be satisfied with mediocre or average players in niche positions. Or they would pay a dramatic premium for returners and special teams specialists. The Bills have swung a nice balance of getting good value on the edges of the roster. Overpaying here and there but not too dramatically that they can't invest in key areas. Jones and the other critical ST players are really a good example of that.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Or maybe they have invested so much time on the assumption that he would become a great MLB that even if he's been a disappointment they would need someone to step up and take the job before they moved him and went thru THAT learning curve of converting him to a pass rusher or a less cognitively demanding off-ball position. 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The whole "they were right for putting Edmunds at MLB because they are more capable of running the organization" argument is a false equivalency. Individual moves can still be wrong..........philosophies can be wrong.........and sometimes they convene like the Kelvin Benjamin trade. Yes, it is true that coaches and FO can make mistakes - in fact, will make mistakes However, successful coaches and FO pivot from those mistakes and move on That's why Peterman lasted 1 half vs. the Chargers in 2017 (and McDermott reportedly told the team he'd made a mistake) and 1 half vs. the Ravens in 2018 That's why Fat Kelvin met the Turk partway through 2018 I'm just asking which is more plausible: That professional football talent evaluators and coaches who have demonstrably pivoted from their own previous mistakes, are for some reason, this time, clinging to a guy who is unsatisfactory at his position because "they have invested so much time", while casual dudes on a football forum have superior acumen? Or that Edmunds is, in fact, doing a better job of what McDermott expects him to do than his detractors assert? Quote His defenders assume they are thrilled with his play........but if you recall last season McDermott said in a mid-season PC that Edmunds needed to play better.............an extremely rare public criticism of a player of any kind from McD. What McDermott was asked, was whether the team needed more "splash plays" or "impact plays" from Edmunds, and he said "yes" (which is not quite the same as saying he needs to play better). Later in the season, he said that Edmunds had developed some poor technique as a result of his injury and he had worked to fix it and was playing much better.
Gugny Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: For example........ McDermott effectively trading Patrick Mahomes..........the league's most valued player for 3 years running........to an AFC rival and having that rival win a SB and reach another directly at the expense of the Bills. I wonder if this is ever going to get as old to you as it is for every other person who spends time on this board. Let it ***** go, man. 1 1
BuffBillsForLife Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 Edmunds is perfectly qualified to be a starting MLB in the NFL, but I don't consider him to be at all elite. The (apparent) disconnect between McBeane and the fanbase with regards to Edmunds can largely be traced back to how front offices are often married to their 1st round picks, especially if they traded up to get them like with Edmunds while fans usually don't care about that at all. Moving Edmunds to OLB has always been a non-starter, especially after paying Milano. Remember that nickel is pretty much the base defense nowadays and I think the notion of having Milano on the sidelines while Edmunds is out there wouldn't be very popular.
Patrick Duffy Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Yea… it’s stupid to just put everything in a vacuum because they brought overall success to the franchise… doesn’t mean they haven’t made mistakes(and aren’t still making them) or are being stubborn with certain players/positions. They hit huge on Allen. It’s by far, the biggest reason this GM/HC group have been so successful. True it is the major reason. Although could also put the Defense as a part of being successful too. D was a big part in the 2017 playoff appearance. Then 2019 D was one of the top also. But yes I agree, Josh is the biggest for sure
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, it is true that coaches and FO can make mistakes - in fact, will make mistakes However, successful coaches and FO pivot from those mistakes and move on That's why Peterman lasted 1 half vs. the Chargers in 2017 (and McDermott reportedly told the team he'd made a mistake) and 1 half vs. the Ravens in 2018 That's why Fat Kelvin met the Turk partway through 2018 I'm just asking which is more plausible: That professional football talent evaluators and coaches who have demonstrably pivoted from their own previous mistakes, are for some reason, this time, clinging to a guy who is unsatisfactory at his position because "they have invested so much time", while casual dudes on a football forum have superior acumen? Or that Edmunds is, in fact, doing a better job of what McDermott expects him to do than his detractors assert? What McDermott was asked, was whether the team needed more "splash plays" or "impact plays" from Edmunds, and he said "yes" (which is not quite the same as saying he needs to play better). Later in the season, he said that Edmunds had developed some poor technique as a result of his injury and he had worked to fix it and was playing much better. 1) Edmunds isn't unsatisfactory..........he's disappointing. There is a difference. He is a top 10-12 MLB/ILB...........it's just that he's in a league of his own physically at the position so not being elite is a disappointment. The fact that they haven't found a better option than that is not surprising.........I don't think they have had another LB on the roster who was drafted higher than round 5 since Edmunds arrived. 2) Needing to make more big plays = needing to play better. When you "need" something it's not optional or just "nice to have". It was rare for McD to answer such a question so plain and directly. People make the injury excuse for Edmunds as well.........but on the play that he was injured he took a poor angle that lead to him whiffing, missing a tackle that he should have been in position to make......resulting in a long TD and crashing to the ground causing the injury. In subsequent questioning after he answered a resounding "YES" to Edmunds needing to make more plays McDermott placed the blame for Edmunds struggles in other areas(recognition/decisiveness) of his work than injury. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 7, 2021 Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, dneveu said: He's what, the best MLB buffalo has had since probably Fletcher? And fletcher's career kind of coincides with adams/williams as his DTs, and playing alongside takeo. Poz was known for a lot of the same problems in the run game, and wasn't as capable in pass coverage. Preston Brown was a jag. Kelvin Sheppard is known as the guy we traded to get hughes. Kiko had some flash, but as we've seen with him since he left buffalo he is not very good. Mitchell, Barnett, Spikes, shall i continue? maybe.. don’t like historical comps but he is perfect in this defense. He’s a little weak vs run but in middle zone pass defense he takes away a ton of field with his size athleticism and range. a lot of folks don’t understand the scheme and think like ‘70s mlbs hes supposed to roam and take on the rb. That’s not this defense 1 1 1
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