Tyrod Taylor named Texans starting QB vs. Jags Week 1

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’ll always remember arguing with my friends during that playoff year that the Bills got to the playoffs in spite of Tyrod rather than because of Tyrod. He will always be a boat anchor in my mind. Just because he was the QB during the drought breaking season doesn’t mean he was anything more than average or below average.

 

Seemed bringing in an average QB who would improve the offense to average was Rex Ryan's plan to get the Bills to the playoffs and break the drought.

 

When he took over, we had the #4 defense in the league and the #18 offense on points.   Seemed like his idea was, take that #4 defense and improve the offense to top-10 or close to that, and we're "In", it's "On".  So he brought in an OC who had offensive success all the way to the Superbowl with a "meh" QB who could run and a creative run game, and a QB who could run and throw deep and who was careful with the football - not throwing game-changing picks.

 

Well, that part worked as intended, but the defense tanked

 

40 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's not that complicated. Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not.

 

I think there's some revisionist history here. 

 

In 2015, relative to EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel etc - Taylor WAS entertaining.  He was exciting and fast when he ran, and he threw a pretty deep ball and also passed decently to wide open receivers.  In 2016, when the offensive productivity dipped because teams had tape on what Taylor wouldn't try so they could focus on shutting down what he did well, fans started to get restless.  Then in 2017 when the Bills abandoned the offense that suited Taylor AND jettisoned all the good WR on the team (Watkins, Woods, Goodwin), then tried to make him a pocket passer throwing to Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes, Zay Jones, and Fat Kelvin Benjamin, it became pretty Grim.

There was a similar phenomenon with Fitzpatrick.  He was a blessed relief when he replaced Trent Edwards, and we were vastly entertained in 2011 when the Bills started 5-2.  Then when we had a 7 game losing streak and it became clear his penchant for throwing game-turning picks at the worst time was not a skin he would shed, he became "the worst QB in the league" "Pickspatrick" "he sucks" etc etc.  He was not seen as very entertaining.

 

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think there's some revisionist history here. 

I was very consistent on Taylor and his inability to master some of the basic decisions an NFL quarterback has to make, from the beginning. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I was very consistent on Taylor and his inability to master some of the basic decisions an NFL quarterback has to make, from the beginning. 

 

Perhaps.  But how were you on Fitzpatrick?

 

And in the post to which I responded, you weren't just speaking for yourself.  You said "Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not."

 

That is revisionist history, IMO.  There was a point where Taylor was an entertaining QB for fans to watch.  We loved his scrambles - and those deep balls!  And there was a point where Fitzpatrick was not perceived by fans as particularly entertaining.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Perhaps.  But how were you on Fitzpatrick?

 

And in the post to which I responded, you weren't just speaking for yourself.  You said "Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not."

 

That is revisionist history, IMO.  There was a point where Taylor was an entertaining QB for fans to watch.  We loved his scrambles - and those deep balls!  And there was a point where Fitzpatrick was not perceived by fans as particularly entertaining.

 

To be honest I never found Tyrod that entertaining either. I found him pretty infuriating to watch from the get-go. I appreciated his play in 2015 because I did think (as you indicate above that Rex likely did) that even a slightly below average Quarterback who was at least competent and didn't hurt you could scrape that team to a wildcard and back then just ending the drought was a major goal. But I never enjoyed watching him play Quarterback particularly. I found Fitz entertaining until his final year. I found 2012 infuriating because that team should have been closer than it was, they were not without talent, and Fitz's turnovers killed us at times.

[machine gun kelly]

It was obvious as Deshaun Watson would’ve just used as another forum if he refused to play or maybe he did behind closed doors.  Good luck Tyrod.  He’s a solid backup.  That’s it.

[HOUSE]

I am pulling for him

 

 

[Gugny]

Can't stand tuhROD, but I still hope Houston wins.

[eball]

19 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

I am happy for Tyrod. He represented the Bills well. While he may be a bit limited as a quarterback, he was a hard worker, a quality leader and someone who I will always be happy he was part of the organization. Good people are worth acknowledging.

 

I have no earthly idea why anyone would “vomit emoji” this post or “lol” it.  Folks got issues…are we really at a point in this society in which we “hate on” good people simply because they didn’t play a game the way we wanted them to?

 

[Rochesterfan]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

-So you make up a narrative - that Tyrod planned to be a career backup in the NFL

-You ignore or shunt aside any evidence that refutes this - F

     -For example, Taylor was drafted by the Ravens and had no choice about the team or his role on it for 4 years

     -The MOMENT he became a free agent he signed with a team where he was promised an honest chance to compete for starter - which he did, successfully ,and then started for 3 years

-The man played his ass off to win the Bills their first playoff appearance in 17 seasons

-When the Bills moved on from him, they traded him - again, no choice about the team he played for or his role on it

-Nevertheless, he has competed for and been announced as the starter on 3 other teams since then (Browns, Chargers, Texans)

 

His whole career either refutes or fails to support your narrative

Then, based on the narrative you create (which is out of sync with the reality of his actual career), you declare that you don't respect him

 

Un. Be. Lievable.

 

Tyrod is a competitor.  If he wanted to be a career backup, instead of signing with the Chargers he could arguably have tried to sign with the Ravens where he might be seen as an ideal backup for Lamar Jackson but would have 0 chance to compete for a starting job.

 

His problem is that  he's never been able to adapt to the NFL passing game, where the QB has to throw with anticipation and into tight windows

 

100% agree - the argument around Tyrod was never a question of his hard work, his desire to win, his leadership, his competitiveness, or his desire to start and lead a team.

 

The issue with Tyrod was could he learn to throw with anticipation or was he going to continue to only throw to wide open receivers that have turned to face him.  Many fans both on this board and others really only wanted the best for the Bills and the hope that Tyrod could bring that about.  What we saw was that in a limited role on a team with a strong defense - that was possible, but we could only go so far.

 

I feel for Tyrod because every place he has gone he has fought to get the starting role and things have conspired to hold him back (some of that being his own play), but he once again finds himself in a no win role on a team with their QB of the past and present stuck behind him and no real future.  I hope for his sake he finds some wins on a bad roster because I think this might end up being his last rodeo.

 

 

[JohnNord]

Like most fans I loved Tyrod and hoped he was the answer at QB.  But by the end of 2017, it was clear he was more of a game manager when the Bills needed a franchise QB.  
 

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on Twitter about Tyrod and that he doesn’t get the same accolades that other Bills players do - namely Ryan Fitzpatrick.
 

The story is spun to the point that many are saying that Tyrod should get credit for breaking the playoff drought.  Sorry but I can’t buy that. 

 

Its very clear to me why fans don’t speak of Tyrod as highly as do with Fitz:

 

- The Bills teams with Fitz as QB were overachievers.  They were supposed to be bottom feeders but Fitz’s competitiveness made them below average.  Thank the Rex, Tyrod’s team was positioned as a contender.  They underperformed. 

 

- Fitzpatrick is a YOLO QB who is very exciting to watch.  Big highs and big low.  Tyrod is very conservative as a passer and not as fun.

 

- Fitz has an outgoing humorous personality.  Many press conferences deliver awesome sound bytes.  Tyrod is quiet and humble, which make it harder for fans to latch onto.  
 

- Fitzpatrick has had some success after his stint in Buffalo and routinely gives fans props.  Tyrod, not so much.

 

So all in all, it’s not surprise why there seems to be more fondness for Fitz than Tyrod as ex-QB’s.

 

With that being said, I do hope fans give Tyrod a great ovation when he returns to Buffalo.  He was never the right QB for the team but he was also placed in some pretty bad situations 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Thank god I didn’t take any Texan players in my FFL draft.

I hated the Tyrod wars when he was here. I knew without a doubt that as long as he was on this team there was no chance at a Super Bowl

[JohnNord]

Can someone explain this tweet to me?  Is it to suggest that the Bills did Tyrod wrong?

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Fitz may have been more fun here, but as a Bills QB it’s definitely Tyrod>Fitz…. For all Tyrods faults he wasn’t a turnover machine like Fitz was and outside of the 2017 season(when he had a ***** show at the receivers position) he was very efficient and effective as a QB…. His 2016 season was actually a good one. 
 

There is also “fondness” for Drew Bledsoe as QB here… why? I have no idea.

 

Disagree. You can't win playing Tyrod ball. His floor might have been higher than Fitz. His ceiling was lower.

[Jerome007]

Tyrod had his moments here, but yeah, it was hard to like the guy as it seemed he had more talent than he used. Not because of work ethics issue, but he was sooooo into the "managing QB" mindset it was his own self-imposed ceiling. Like a super conservative boring coach.  Still, he's a good (not great!) QB but wow at him starting over Watson. Let's TRULY enjoy the current Bills ride as there are so many examples of teams imploding it's scary!

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

My lasting image of Tyrod was when he went 1-8 for 8 yards in the second half of a game where we were getting absolutely destroyed by the Saints. The next game was against the Chargers and Nathan Peterman got his 1st career start. I don’t need to remind everyone how that went…

Just be thankful that Nate was that horrid because if he wasn't we might never had drafted Josh Allen. 

[JohnNord]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Fitz may have been more fun here, but as a Bills QB it’s definitely Tyrod>Fitz…. For all Tyrods faults he wasn’t a turnover machine like Fitz was and outside of the 2017 season(when he had a ***** show at the receivers position) he was very efficient and effective as a QB…. His 2016 season was actually a good one. 
 

There is also “fondness” for Drew Bledsoe as QB here… why? I have no idea.

Not with me.  I thought Bledsoe was a flop.  

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Tyrod had his moments here, but yeah, it was hard to like the guy as it seemed he had more talent than he used. Not because of work ethics issue, but he was sooooo into the "managing QB" mindset it was his own self-imposed ceiling. Like a super conservative boring coach.  Still, he's a good (not great!) QB but wow at him starting over Watson. Let's TRULY enjoy the current Bills ride as there are so many examples of teams imploding it's scary!

 

Watson starting isn't an option because he doesn't want to. The Texans don't want him to. The NFL doesn't want him to. Take your pick. 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Can someone explain this tweet to me?  Is it to suggest that the Bills did Tyrod wrong?

 

 

That’s the implication.  It definitely makes it sound the Bills made a mistake, which they didn’t. 
 

Tyrod is the opposite of Fitz: too careful with the ball.  Neither is a starter but they are decent backups and in the right situation, which isn’t Houston, Tyrod can do enough to get you to the playoffs whereas Fitz has shown he can’t. I appreciate what he did during the drought-ender and actually didn’t have a problem with his comments (other than disagreeing that he would have remained the starter if he were white). 

[JohnNord]

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

That’s the implication.  It definitely makes it sound the Bills made a mistake, which they didn’t. 
 

Tyrod is the opposite of Fitz: too careful with the ball.  Neither is a starter but they are decent backups and in the right situation, which isn’t Houston, Tyrod can do enough to get you to the playoffs whereas Fitz has shown he can’t. I appreciate what he did during the drought-ender and actually didn’t have a problem with his comments (other than disagreeing that he would have remained the starter if he were white). 

I don’t get it.  Moving on from Tyrod was the right thing for so many reasons, especially considering the 3rd round draft pick they go in return.  

9 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  And yet there are Bills fans that  call tyrod a loser technically true of each member of the teams in the drought era. That would include a bills fan favorite Ryan Fitzpatrick.  Seems with a very similar record during his tenure with the bills he's regarded as a smart competitor whod be a winner if only his athleticism matched his intelligence and he just couldn't make the throws but he could clearly read what the defense was doing.  He at least tried to win games and didn't hesitate to pull the trigger and the inevitable int.   Not his fault the defense intercepted him.  Whereas Tyrod is vilified as a gutless loser because he didn't wish to risk to's.  That seems like a smart way to play.   Both are stopgap talents neither capable of pulling out a win on their talents alone  consistently yet Fitzpatrick is given a pass more readily,  because he's not as gifted an athlete or is there some racial  bias mixed in there whether its intentional or not it seems plausible there is some element of ŕacial  bias.

 

Tyrod the perceived loser has a SB ring earned when he was Flacco backup.   And he was part of the bills drought breaking season.  No not the catalyst but his efforts were part of that teams success.  To dismiss his part in winning is just as wrong as dismissing Fitzpatrick penchant for the game ending ints as a reason the bills didn't end the drought under his watch. 

 

   I wish both success elsewhere with the caveat as long as its in the bills interests.  Otherwise let them come up short.  

 

 

 

Again, who perceived Tyrod as a loser?  Most Bills fans have him accurately pegged as a game manager/backup

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It's not that complicated. Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not.

As simple as this 👆

[Hapless Bills Fan]

54 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Can someone explain this tweet to me?  Is it to suggest that the Bills did Tyrod wrong?

 

 

2 facts walked into a bar……,

 

IOW, no

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t get it.  Moving on from Tyrod was the right thing for so many reasons, especially considering the 3rd round draft pick they go in return.  

Again, who perceived Tyrod as a loser?  Most Bills fans have him accurately pegged as a game manager/backup

As simple as this 👆

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