Doc Brown Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 Just now, John from Riverside said: I tried to tell people at the time be wary of the player that has little production right before a contract year then breaks out jordon for his size should have been a much better run stop guy but he was going for broke on his sack numbers once he got paid……. It helps when those players (Shaq and Phillips) kept saying "contract year" over and over again. 1 1
Warcodered Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) I mean I guess, then again maybe alternatively he wouldn't of got hurt here and could of ended up playing really well. Don't really get ragging on a guy for getting hurt. Edited September 4, 2021 by Warcodered 3
BADOLBILZ Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 There were A LOT of people on TSW who were very upset with Beane for allowing he and Shaq to leave. They simply are not trustworthy players...........the fanbase falls in love with anyone who panders to them.......so these two counterfeit namesakes of NBA greats did that to try to create additional pressure for management to pay them. Fortunately Beane didn't fall for it. They are who they were before they ramped up for their money grab. 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Some players operate better in a structured environment like Buffalo. Arizona strikes me as a collection of individuals more than a team. Not a good fit for him. Yeah but they were guys with motivation/work ethic issues prior to their contract runs. Pretty sure paying them was going to produce diminishing returns regardless once they got paid......whether here or elsewhere. 1
Rico Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: There were A LOT of people on TSW who were very upset with Beane for allowing he and Shaq to leave. They simply are not trustworthy players...........the fanbase falls in love with anyone who panders to them.......so these two counterfeit namesakes of NBA greats did that to try to create additional pressure for management to pay them. Fortunately Beane didn't fall for it. They are who they were before they ramped up for their money grab. Yeah but they were guys with motivation/work ethic issues prior to their contract runs. Pretty sure paying them was going to produce diminishing returns regardless once they got paid......whether here or elsewhere. Counterfeit namesakes of NBA greats?
BADOLBILZ Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, Rico said: Counterfeit namesakes of NBA greats? If Jimmy Walker hadn't been such a deadbeat NBA dad.........Jalen Rose would have been Jimmy Walker Jr............and we wouldn't have 500 "Jalen/Jaelin/Jaelon/Jaylon's" in the NFL.
Rico Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: If Jimmy Walker hadn't been such a deadbeat NBA dad.........Jalen Rose would have been Jimmy Walker Jr............and we wouldn't have 500 "Jalen/Jaelin/Jaelon/Jaylon's" in the NFL. Yet not one LeBron anywhere, go figure. 1
Rc2catch Posted September 4, 2021 Posted September 4, 2021 I was one of the few who wanted Lawson to stay. At the very least pickup the 5th year on him and get one more cost controlled season. Phillips I wasn’t a big fan of. His stat line popped but he was invisible so many times. I think both players benefited from dare I say the buffalo culture and accountability in the locker room. Phillips to be fair seems have some really bad luck since leaving. Lawson seems to move teams weekly and nobody knows there to play him. OLB/DE
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Another guy gets the money then WHAMO, Marcel Dareus Remember when everyone felt bad for this schlub when he “went into rehab”?
The Wiz Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: Another guy gets the money then WHAMO, Marcel Dareus Say what you want about the player, but you have to admit, he's rocking the hell out of that hat 1
GoBills808 Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 One of the Bills’ easier personnel decisions to predict tbh
Thurman#1 Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 11 hours ago, DJB said: So T Edmunds ain't getting the money Fortunately, it's Beane and McDermott deciding what a good year looks like, not you. 1
eball Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 The Phillips/Lawson decisions were pretty easy ones in my mind and I wasn’t upset when they left. It would have shocked me for either — but particularly Phillips — to duplicate or increase their production at their next stop. Unfortunately with Star opting out, Harry rehabbing a knee, and Murphy being “done” the additions of Addison, Jefferson, Butler, and a not-ready-for-primetime Epenesa were simply not enough to make this a D line worthy of respect. Looking back, it’s almost astounding the defense played as well as they did in stretches. But that’s beside the point. Not bringing back Phillips and Lawson was the right move.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 12 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I was one of the few who wanted Lawson to stay. At the very least pickup the 5th year on him and get one more cost controlled season. Phillips I wasn’t a big fan of. His stat line popped but he was invisible so many times. I think both players benefited from dare I say the buffalo culture and accountability in the locker room. Phillips to be fair seems have some really bad luck since leaving. Lawson seems to move teams weekly and nobody knows there to play him. OLB/DE I was the total opposite. Loved Phillips and wanted them to re-sign him— but wanted them to let Lawson walk. Part of that was that I felt Phillips bought into Buffalo and the team— and Lawson struck me as just waiting to get of here. Plus, Lawson as an “edge setter” has such a limited skill set. 1
machine gun kelly Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 Miyagi, I’m with you I was fine with letting Shaq walk, and although I liked Phillips, I knew he would be out of our price range. I never thought Phillips would fall off a cliff.
Fdapats Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 It looks like Beane got this one right, neither Shaq or Big Phil were worth the money. However, It is difficult to say how how either player would have done if they stayed in Buff. I liked Big Phil a lot and sometimes injuries can be just bad luck.
Billy Claude Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 At the end of the season press conference that year, Beane said they would make a strong effort to bring Shaq back but that Jordan Phillips had earned the opportunity to determine his value in the free agent market. It was clear they wanted Shaq back and from all indications they made what they felt was a reasonable offer to Shaq (though obviously not matching the Dolphins offer) but did not want Phillips,
Doc Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 I trust McBeane will make the correct decision more often than not. And in these 2 cases (as well as shipping-off Dareus), they did.
benderbender Posted September 5, 2021 Posted September 5, 2021 I was sold on Phillips being an emotional leader on defense. He as always trying to pump up the crowd to get loud. At the Redskins game in 2019, he was personally responsible for me losing my voice. Not as much that I was cheering so wildly as much as we couldn't figure out how to stop Adrian Peterson until the 2nd half, and even then we kept giving them the ball back (not to mention Bojo shanked the worst punt I've ever seen live, and I saw many high school football games). I think they only converted two 3rd down conversions. It felt like we had to make noise like 22 times on third down. I was hearing the train noise in my sleep. But Beane and Co made the right decision on this one.
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