Abortion Basically Illegal In Texas Now

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If you want the abuse to continue, take it to the other thread. 

This is for abortions. 

Not that the left's smear campaign against HCQ couldn't be considered one.

 

I will try again..........

 

 

No, Texas's New Law Does Not Ban Abortions - Or Even A Majority Of Them

 

 

After the Supreme Court declined the ACLU’s request to block SB8, the new Texas law, which bans abortion after a baby’s heartbeat is detected, went into effect in the state immediately.  Almost predictably, the left went into a total meltdown, suggesting that this was an all-out ban on abortions, which it very much isn’t. 

 

Liberals and Progressives alike complained that this law was somehow an affront to women everywhere (you know, after they have spent the last four years telling us to call them “birthing persons”), claiming that the majority of abortions occur after a heartbeat is detected.

 

Well, that’s just not true.  In fact, the vast majority of abortions occur within the first 10 weeks of pregnancy, and a plurality within the first six weeks.

 

According to Abort83.com, a site that compiles abortion statistics, a maximum of 40.5% of abortions occurs within the first six weeks of pregnancy, which in Texas are all still legal.  In weeks 7-9, another 37.5% of abortions take place. In total, 78% of all abortions take place before the beginning of week 10.

 

While heartbeats can possibly be detected as early as weeks 6 or 7, WebMD states that the majority of doctors don’t test until after eight weeks with ultrasound, and not until 12 weeks with fetal doppler. If we attribute half of the week 7-9 abortions as a split, that would be 18.75%. That would suggest that 59.25% of all abortions occur before a heartbeat is even detected, which, again, is still legal in Texas.

 

While the law contains a requirement for doctors to verify a heartbeat before an abortion is performed, it does not specify how that verification must take place. If doctors chose to verify by doppler (and you know there will be some who want to skirt the intent of the law, just like this despicable clinic Mike Miller wrote about), it would extend the potential for abortions past 10 weeks, leading to the potential of 80% of the abortions taking place previously to continue.

 

 

https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2021/09/03/no-the-texas-law-does-not-ban-abortions-or-even-a-majority-of-them-n437269

 

https://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

[Tiberius]

 

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Update: Mexico’s supreme court voted unanimously Tuesday to decriminalize abortion. The court’s decision makes Mexico the most populous country in Latin America to permit the procedure.

GOP is more backward than the people they are trying to build the stupid wall to keep out 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/07/mexico-abortion-supreme-court/

[All_Pro_Bills]

56 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  Fauci never touted anything.  The agency that he led simply published a study about HCQ 15 years before COVID-19.  And, as noted and as still is unaddressed by “Doc,” that study did not involve human trials.  

 

So, we continue to await the “science” that supports your garbage opinions about your garbage treatments, “Doc.”  Feel free to stop changing the subject and show your cards any time you wish.  

Got a study?  Or are you referring to the one that wasn’t published because of concerns about flawed data? 

My question was explain away the results in India with some other factor that caused cases and deaths to plummet?  Don't have one?  Don't worry.  Pfizer is working on a 3CL Protease Inhibitor anti-viral that will soon start clinical trials.  And I'm certain it will get accelerated approval which is more than I can say for about 1/2 dozen treatment applications the FDA is currently sitting on.  Functionally their protease inhibitor has properties consistent with medications like Ivermectin but you can be assured it will be a lot more expensive to produce and use. 

So soon Twitter and Facebook will authorize you to believe  and defend what I just stated as "information" and "fact" which is the vaccine program needs to be augmented by an effective anti-viral treatment. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[SectionC3]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

GUT...PUNCH.

 

If you want the abuse to continue, take it to the other thread.  This is for abortions.  Not that the left's smear campaign against HCQ couldn't be considered one.

 

You’ve proven you can use large fonts.  Now, what about the science, “Doc?”

16 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

My question was explain away the results in India with some other factor that caused cases and deaths to plummet?  Don't have one?  Don't worry.  Pfizer is working on a 3CL Protease Inhibitor anti-viral that will soon start clinical trials.  And I'm certain it will get accelerated approval which is more than I can say for about 1/2 dozen treatment applications the FDA is currently sitting on.  Functionally their protease inhibitor has properties consistent with medications like Ivermectin but you can be assured it will be a lot more expensive to produce and use. 

So soon Twitter and Facebook will authorize you to believe  and defend what I just stated as "information" and "fact" which is the vaccine program needs to be augmented by an effective anti-viral treatment. 

 

Let’s see the study.  Looks like you’re referring to the study that was withdrawn from publication due to data manipulation and plagiarism.  So we await the science to support the Ivermectin claim.  

[SoCal Deek]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

GOP is more backward than the people they are trying to build the stupid wall to keep out 

 

Tibs: How clueless do you have to be to comment on The Wall given the current state of affairs at the southern border? Brilliant 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Tibs: How clueless do you have to be to comment on The Wall given the current state of affairs at the southern border? Brilliant 

 

What do they care?  The more illegals who can vote Dem, the better!

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 9/6/2021 at 12:07 PM, Governor said:

All politics is local Kay. We may very well be close to a checkmate nationally, but we’re getting killed at the local and state level, Governorships, etc., and we’re seeing the effects of that today. This is what happens when a party gets distracted by social issues and gets away from a strong meat and potatoes economic message.

 

The courts are their last stand and I’m in “believe it when I see it mode” as far them going crazy and straying away from national opinion on any one issue.

 

LOVE the bolded…Thomas Frank’s “Listen, Liberal” is my political Bible!

 

Your point that “all politics is local” has merit, of course, but every district in every state consists of a mix of red people and blue people. When a political party aggressively pushes back on a hot-button policy stance that has 70%+ approval, that can enflame enough of the electorate to change the colors of purple, light red, and light blue localities.

 

In light of recent current events and the gleeful reactions from right wingers in support of this vile bill, I simply can’t agree with your last sentence. We have to take their threats to undermine Roe v. Wade at the state level very seriously. Current Democrats need to nip this in the bud, or dangerously progressive females like myself will find our own candidates in the primaries who can. For starters, I want a renewed dialogue on court packing, Supreme Court term limits, and codifying Roe v. Wade with a federal law.

 

On 9/6/2021 at 2:25 PM, B-Man said:

REMINDER for this page also,  that the Title of this thread is incredibly wrong.

 

The Left knows this false, but wants the "controversy"...................their concern is votes, not women's rights.

 

No, Texas's New Law Does Not Ban Abortions - Or Even A Majority Of Them

 

The priority of Texas SB 8 is to financially destroy the state’s abortion clinic services, not to criminalize abortions after 6 weeks.

 

I’m supposed to be here for the 2021 Buffalo Bills talk. But if the PPP boys want a serious and open-minded discussion on abortion, then I will participate. Just say the word. As a forewarning, it may get uncomfortable:

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

LOVE the bolded…Thomas Frank’s “Listen, Liberal” is my political Bible!

 

Your point that “all politics is local” has merit, of course, but every district in every state consists of a mix of red people and blue people. When a political party aggressively pushes back on a hot-button policy stance that has 70%+ approval, that can enflame enough of the electorate to change the colors of purple, light red, and light blue localities.

 

In light of recent current events and the gleeful reactions from right wingers in support of this vile bill, I simply can’t agree with your last sentence. We have to take their threats to undermine Roe v. Wade at the state level very seriously. Current Democrats need to nip this in the bud, or dangerously progressive females like myself will find our own candidates in the primaries who can. For starters, I want a renewed dialogue on court packing, Supreme Court term limits, and codifying Roe v. Wade with a federal law.

 

 

The priority of Texas SB 8 is to financially destroy the state’s abortion clinic services, not to criminalize abortions after 6 weeks.

 

I’m supposed to be here for the 2021 Buffalo Bills talk. But if the PPP boys want a serious and open-minded discussion on abortion, then I will participate. Just say the word. As a forewarning, it may get uncomfortable:

 

 

You’re right of course.  If the collective, say, were to choose to allow abortion on demand up to, say, an hour or two  after birth, the ball would roll down hill, crushing anyone (male or female) in its path who opposed it.  In some ways, we’re already there. 
 

I think the other side of the argument is that simply because the collective wants to see that sort of option does not mean you submit and acquiesce.  On the religious front, it violates deeply held beliefs that transcend the earthly realm.  On the moral plane, some believe that at some point before the baby comes out the belly button that a separate life is created and should be protected.  

 

Why, if one felt this way, would they ever submit simply because some mean folks got mean(er)?

 

And on the threat of court packing, geesh, ComradeMeanie, to many conservatives, it’s a forgone conclusion that dem and left leaning folks are already planning that.  Same with disarming the American people.  Same with perpetually open borders.  Same with CRT.  Same. Same. Same.  It’s no different than your argument that “Texas law = crush abortion business”, is it?  I’m usually certain that people are less concerned about where we are and much more concerned with what comes next. 
 

You’re apparently pro-abortion when a woman decides it’s the right choice.  Some here are pro-life with no exemptions.  A whole bunch of many are probably stuck somewhere at a dusty Day’s Inn on a moderately fertile archipelago, trying to figure not so much where  life begins, but more where common sense ends and medieval spine crushing begins. 
 

What’s really (and in my head I’m thinking it sounds like reeeeeeeeeealy)to talk about?  
 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

You Can't Trust the Narrative on the Texas Abortion Law

 

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/you-cant-trust-the-narrative-on-the

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Governor]

15 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

LOVE the bolded…Thomas Frank’s “Listen, Liberal” is my political Bible!

 

Your point that “all politics is local” has merit, of course, but every district in every state consists of a mix of red people and blue people. When a political party aggressively pushes back on a hot-button policy stance that has 70%+ approval, that can enflame enough of the electorate to change the colors of purple, light red, and light blue localities.

 

In light of recent current events and the gleeful reactions from right wingers in support of this vile bill, I simply can’t agree with your last sentence. We have to take their threats to undermine Roe v. Wade at the state level very seriously. Current Democrats need to nip this in the bud, or dangerously progressive females like myself will find our own candidates in the primaries who can. For starters, I want a renewed dialogue on court packing, Supreme Court term limits, and codifying Roe v. Wade with a federal law.

 

 

The priority of Texas SB 8 is to financially destroy the state’s abortion clinic services, not to criminalize abortions after 6 weeks.

 

I’m supposed to be here for the 2021 Buffalo Bills talk. But if the PPP boys want a serious and open-minded discussion on abortion, then I will participate. Just say the word. As a forewarning, it may get uncomfortable:

 

 

I really don’t understand the right’s strategy here. Trump already has a huge problem with non-white women but now they go and piss away their lead with white women?

 

Every GOP candidate is going to be asked if they agree with the Texas law and that would be disastrous in a whole lot of districts. There’s probably a dozen House seats in swing districts that would stay blue, especially those seats being held by moderate women, like mine.

 

It really feels like Trump’s people are behind this approach. Someone shows them a poll showing evangelical turnout was lower, they respond with abortion to energize them, not realizing that it also energizes the Dem base at a time where we’d usually be lulled to sleep before a midterm.

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2021 by Governor

[SoCal Deek]

44 minutes ago, Governor said:

I really don’t understand the right’s strategy here. Trump already has a huge problem with non-white women but now they go and piss away their lead with white women?

 

Every GOP candidate is going to be asked if they agree with the Texas law and that would be disastrous in a whole lot of districts. There’s probably a dozen House seats in swing districts that would stay blue, especially those seats being held by moderate women, like mine.

 

It really feels like Trump’s people are behind this approach. Someone shows them a poll showing evangelical turnout was lower, they respond with abortion to energize them, not realizing that it also energizes the Dem base at a time where we’d usually be lulled to sleep before a midterm.

 

 

 

The reason you don’t understand Republicans is because you’re too busy trying to turn everyone into Democrats. Make sense? 

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The reason you don’t understand Republicans is because you’re too busy trying to turn everyone into Democrats. Make sense? 

You’re doing it wrong! There aren’t enough R votes out there to win elections when D’s have a reason to show up.

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Governor said:

You’re doing it wrong! There aren’t enough R votes out there to win elections when D’s have a reason to show up.

I’m not ‘doing’ anything. I just pointed out the error in your thinking. No offense intended. 

[Governor]

45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not ‘doing’ anything. I just pointed out the error in your thinking. No offense intended. 

Elections are won and lost over turnout and the tiny sliver of undecided voters which you need to flip to you.

 
The GOP then leads with:

 

Voter suppression laws

Then follows it up with abortion.

 

Lol.

 

I know one thing for sure. DeSantis is not at all happy with Abbott right now. He’s totally backed into a corner on this.

Edited September 8, 2021 by Governor

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Governor said:

I really don’t understand the right’s strategy here. Trump already has a huge problem with non-white women but now they go and piss away their lead with white women?

 

Every GOP candidate is going to be asked if they agree with the Texas law and that would be disastrous in a whole lot of districts. There’s probably a dozen House seats in swing districts that would stay blue, especially those seats being held by moderate women, like mine.

 

It really feels like Trump’s people are behind this approach. Someone shows them a poll showing evangelical turnout was lower, they respond with abortion to energize them, not realizing that it also energizes the Dem base at a time where we’d usually be lulled to sleep before a midterm.

 

The white women who would have a problem with Texas' new law already vote Dem anyway.  It's not going to change much.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

Elections are won and lost over turnout and the tiny sliver of undecided voters which you need to flip to you.

 
The GOP then leads with:

 

Voter suppression laws

Then follows it up with abortion.

 

Lol.

 

I know one thing for sure. DeSantis is not at all happy with Abbott right now. He’s totally backed into a corner on this.

You do realize some people actually stand on principles they believe strongly about, right?

[Governor]

22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You do realize some people actually stand on principles they believe strongly about, right?

Those aren’t the voters you need to be reaching right now. Anti-choice voter’s already vote R regardless of what happens.

 

If Trump actually announces a run before the midterms, none of this will matter. Dems would then hold serve.

 

This guy just won’t be happy until he takes the whole party down with him. Trump even flirting a run before the midterms puts every close district in jeopardy.

 

What a mess you have!

Edited September 8, 2021 by Governor

[Tiberius]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You do realize some people actually stand on principles they believe strongly about, right?

HA HA HA HA!!

[Governor]

55 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The white women who would have a problem with Texas' new law already vote Dem anyway.  It's not going to change much.

This is why you lose.

 

Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view (62% vs. 56%).

 

Now, 55 percent of white women voted for Trump in 2020. It’s basically the only demographic that stuck with him.

 

Now, try to imagine who those voters actually are in places like Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.

 

Are all of those white women anti-abortion?
No, they definitely aren’t.
 

Even a 2 percent shift in white women towards D’s basically puts all of those states out of reach for R’s. That number would likely be much higher.

 

Edited September 8, 2021 by Governor