AP exclusive: Bills propose new 60k seat stadium by (update - 2025)

[UConn James]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I hate the blue end zones lol I’d love to see red back. Something about the outline in the writing of the blue looks terrible to me.

It would look better if there weren’t an additional white outline outside of the red. Just abut the red to the blue, I’d suggest by filling that white outline to red to make the red outline thicker. Instant improvement.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Very. I don't think they've decided yet. This has been a terrible weather season for home games. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a dome. It's going to come down to how much money they can get.

 

$500 million over 30 years plus maintenance is a lot of extra money to come up with. I understand that. We'll see what happens. 

I don't think there's any chance a dome is built now. The current season has no effect on the decision. Local gov seemed to be pushing for it, but didn't want to foot the bill. Pegulas want open air in Orchard Park and that's what's happening. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Very. I don't think they've decided yet. This has been a terrible weather season for home games. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a dome. It's going to come down to how much money they can get.

 

$500 million over 30 years plus maintenance is a lot of extra money to come up with. I understand that. We'll see what happens. 

 

It's not going to be a dome...that would add a minimum of 500 million to the cost. Not happening.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

45 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's not going to be a dome...that would add a minimum of 500 million to the cost. Not happening.

I said exactly that. Depends on if they get the funding. Also would they be able to make back some of that $500 million over 30 years with other events. 

47 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't think there's any chance a dome is built now. The current season has no effect on the decision. Local gov seemed to be pushing for it, but didn't want to foot the bill. Pegulas want open air in Orchard Park and that's what's happening. 

A lot can change. I mean the current stadium was going to be a dome in a different location until it wasn't. 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[LeGOATski]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 A lot can change. I mean the current stadium was going to be a dome in a different location until it wasn't. 

I feel like we've been through all the changes and rumors already. The timeline they set to get this figured out was before the new year. This is happening now.

[Beast]

9 hours ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said:

I'm not blown away by those designs, but note that the slight rotation of the field reflects a different approach to wind patterns.

The stadium lower bowl will be built from the ground up, not underneath ground like the current stadium that the wind swirls in because of that. The wind shouldn’t be near the factor.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

https://www.investigativepost.org/2021/12/23/ipost-suit-prompts-release-of-stadium-reports/

 

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Also would they be able to make back some of that $500 million over 30 years with other events

Doubtful

5 hours ago, Beast said:

The stadium lower bowl will be built from the ground up, not underneath ground like the current stadium that the wind swirls in because of that. The wind shouldn’t be near the factor.

Maybe you can build the stadium different to lessen the wind affects.......but in OP, outside, the wind will still be a factor

[Big Turk]

57 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Doubtful

Maybe you can build the stadium different to lessen the wind affects.......but in OP, outside, the wind will still be a factor

 

The wind effects, especially the swirling unpredictable wind is from the stadium being the only one in the league with only one tunnel entrance. All the others have two, which acts to balance bout the wind instead of creating a vortex that causes swirling winds

[eball]

9 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

 

But still, the Pegulas have said that Seattle's stadium is the inspiration. I'm sure people will be disappointed with that, too.

 

Why would they be disappointed?  Seattle’s stadium is protective for the fans and is regarded as a very hostile environment for the opponent.  Sounds perfect to me.

[PolishDave]

5 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://www.investigativepost.org/2021/12/23/ipost-suit-prompts-release-of-stadium-reports/

 

 

Am I reading something wrong?

 

https://esd.ny.gov/sites/default/files/news-articles/ESD-Bills-Stadium-Analysis-Summary-FINAL-11-1-21.pdf

 

Because on page 9 of this report it states that the cost of building an open air stadium in OP is $1.463 billion but a domed stadium is only $1.652 billion.

 

Where are people getting the amount where it says it will cost and extra $500 million.   According to this study the price is $189 million extra for a domed stadium which amounts to an additional 13% over the cost of a non-domed stadium.

 

Which brings up the question - You can pay a quarterback $250 million for 6 years of service but you aren't willing to pay $189 million for multiple decades of stadium enhancements?

Edited December 24, 2021 by PolishDave

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

Am I reading something wrong?

 

https://esd.ny.gov/sites/default/files/news-articles/ESD-Bills-Stadium-Analysis-Summary-FINAL-11-1-21.pdf

 

Because on page 9 of this report it states that the cost of building an open air stadium in OP is $1.463 billion but a domed stadium is only $1.652 billion.

 

Where are people getting the amount where it says it will cost and extra $500 million.   According to this study the price is $189 million extra for a domed stadium which amounts to an additional 13% over the cost of a non-domed stadium.

 

Which brings up the question - You can pay a quarterback $250 million for 6 years of service but you aren't willing to pay $189 million for multiple decades of stadium enhancements?

 

 

Yeah and it seems to be a trend that home field advantage isn't such an advantage anymore.

 

Home teams are pretty close to .500 this season.

 

So if the better team wins regardless more often or not......the idea of building for your unique home weather circumstance seems counterintuitive when you have 8-9 regular season road games every year that are all fair game as well.

 

Not putting a dome on the stadium just makes it a less attractive place to play.............which increases the chance that you aren't fielding the better team.

[zow2]

The weather has not been an advantage for Buffalo for many years now... long before McDermott and Allen got here.

 

I can't even imagine how nice it must be to attend a late fall or winter game in Detroit, Indy or Minneapolis and not be soaking wet, frozen to the bone, snow covered or wind burned.  If they can't afford a retractable roof, then just put a permanent dome on the new stadium.  I can't believe the visionaries of this new stadium don't see the benefits for fans, players, free agents, etc..  but also how it could be used 100 times a year instead of 10-15 times.  

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, PolishDave said:

 

 

Which brings up the question - You can pay a quarterback $250 million for 6 years of service but you aren't willing to pay $189 million for multiple decades of stadium enhancements?

That roof ain’t gonna throw TDs. 

[Doc]

It would have been interesting to see what they would have done if the fan poll said that they wanted a roof/dome. 

[Einstein]

16 hours ago, beebe said:

Not really. The next games are selling for similar price. As low as $14 for Falcons and as low as $15 for Jets game. The home schedule did ticket prices no favors but Bills tickets are routinely far lower than other playoff caliber teams, including small market teams like KC, Indy, GB, NO. 

 

Titans hosting Dolphins next week, cheapest seat in the house is currently $130 after fees. 

 

Right… weather related.

Its still December.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I read the stadium report. Seems Terry Pegula doesn't want open air because of money. He wants open air because he believes in "outdoor football". 

 

They really don't make good decisions. 

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, PolishDave said:

 

Am I reading something wrong?

 

https://esd.ny.gov/sites/default/files/news-articles/ESD-Bills-Stadium-Analysis-Summary-FINAL-11-1-21.pdf

 

Because on page 9 of this report it states that the cost of building an open air stadium in OP is $1.463 billion but a domed stadium is only $1.652 billion.

 

Where are people getting the amount where it says it will cost and extra $500 million.   According to this study the price is $189 million extra for a domed stadium which amounts to an additional 13% over the cost of a non-domed stadium.

 

Which brings up the question - You can pay a quarterback $250 million for 6 years of service but you aren't willing to pay $189 million for multiple decades of stadium enhancements?

You ever think pegula wants open air football? 

 

The bills are 11-1 at the Ralph in the playoffs..  in not ideal conditions. 

 

Their record indicates it's an advantage

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

The weather has not been an advantage for Buffalo for many years now... long before McDermott and Allen got here.

 

I can't even imagine how nice it must be to attend a late fall or winter game in Detroit, Indy or Minneapolis and not be soaking wet, frozen to the bone, snow covered or wind burned.  If they can't afford a retractable roof, then just put a permanent dome on the new stadium.  I can't believe the visionaries of this new stadium don't see the benefits for fans, players, free agents, etc..  but also how it could be used 100 times a year instead of 10-15 times.  

There is no data that shows that a football stadium will be used 100 times a year

 

Football stadiums are massive.. there are not many stadium concerts and tours going around 

 

Even Jerry world.. biggest Palace in the world

 

Only as eight scheduled events for 2022

 

A dome stadium in Buffalo is not going to have a lot of events.. there's not a lot of stadium events going on

 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

The weather has not been an advantage for Buffalo for many years now... long before McDermott and Allen got here.

 

I can't even imagine how nice it must be to attend a late fall or winter game in Detroit, Indy or Minneapolis and not be soaking wet, frozen to the bone, snow covered or wind burned.  If they can't afford a retractable roof, then just put a permanent dome on the new stadium.  I can't believe the visionaries of this new stadium don't see the benefits for fans, players, free agents, etc..  but also how it could be used 100 times a year instead of 10-15 times.  

From a governmental/political viewpoint, if they are going to bother with a new stadium at all, they should probably do two things: put a roof on it so it can generate revenue for the area year round doing many things other than football, and 2) it should be in downtown Buffalo and not out in the middle of a parking lot in Orchard Park or any other suburban location.

 

It will have an enormous trickle effect to the surrounding area, especially if they build it down near the current hockey arena.   The whole area could really be built up into a thriving destination and revenue builder for the area.

 

If they aren't going to put a roof on it and build it downtown, don't build a new stadium at all.

We already have a "normal football stadium" without a roof out in the middle of nowhere.  Don't need to replace it with a new one, just so Pegula can make himself a bit more rich via a stadium with better revenue generating features.

 

If that's what he wants, let him build his own stadium with his own money.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Nextmanup

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

From a governmental/political viewpoint, if they are going to bother with a new stadium at all, they should probably do two things: put a roof on it so it can generate revenue for the area year round doing many things other than football, and 2) it should be in downtown Buffalo and not out in the middle of a parking lot in Orchard Park or any other suburban location.

 

It will have an enormous trickle effect to the surrounding area, especially if they build it down near the current hockey arena.   The whole area could really be built up into a thriving destination and revenue builder for the area.

 

If they aren't going to put a roof on it and build it downtown, don't build a new stadium at all.

We already have a "normal football stadium" without a roof out in the middle of nowhere.  Don't need to replace it with a new, just so Pegula can making himself a bit more rich with better revenue generating features.

 

If that's what he wants, let him build his own stadium with his own money.

 

 

Everybody keeps saying that.. every study they have done.. every stadium study done has said that's not the case

 

The final stadium study they did.. said the economic impact on the region would be equal to getting a new Target

 

That's your economic Renaissance that the downtown stadium is going to bring.. the same impact as a new Target

 

People need to realize football stadiums don't bring the massive changes they think