corta765 Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 I tuned in last night to see how Lawrence and crew looked and I was dismayed. I like T-Law a lot and think he will join Allen and Mahomes as the kings in the AFC, but their gonna get this kid killed if they can show protection. He can move decently and there is no doubt the potential is there, but their offensive line is as bad as the Bills in 2018. I think their skill players are not bad though. Their offense was also really basic it reminded me of the Jauron days with a lot of 5 yard passes that can break. I am not super well versed in scheme and why teams run certain plays, but with Allen did we intentionally run easier short passes to help or in general is that something teams do or are the Jags the second coming of the 09 Bills dink and dunk nothing attack haha Anyway just wondering what others thought as the Jags quietly should be one of those teams that challenge and I was happy Lawrence wasn't in our division, but early on (and I know it is early) the Urban experiment doesn't look very good. 1
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 They are the only of the new QB teams I haven't watched a minute of in pre-season. That is the issue for that team - Big name coach, big ticket Quarterback..... but still the Jags and I can't find a reason to care about them. 2
Rc2catch Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 If I recall correctly we didn’t really scale the offense back for Allen. He wasn’t willing to play the short pass game. He lived in the 10-30 yard range and if protection didn’t hold he was running. But we were extremely conservative to keep him in the best game situations as possible. Run, run, pass had some people wanting mcd out of here and questioning if he could coach on gamedays. When in reality they were making a real effort to protect Allen’s confidence and keep him in less situations that he had to make the plays, or not make the play. If they just unleashed him year one I think it could of been very ugly and likely he does not progress into what he is today. This league has seen plenty of “sure thing” quarterbacks fail or not live up to the hype. The situation these guys are put in sometimes outweighs their talent.
DCbillsfan Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) I watched the game last night. Saints D came after Lawrence early and often and he took some hits. The Jags have better skill players than the Bills did when Allen was a rookie. Their Oline looks pretty bad though. Meyer looked disgusted at times. I'm not sure he's gonna be able to endure the growing pains. He might bail after a couple of seasons imo Edited August 24, 2021 by DCbillsfan
freddyjj Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) Thanks Corta. I believe the Jags are in dire need of a culture change. Not sure Urban Meyer is the guy to bring it about given his track record of different standards for players at his college stops. Protection schemes, play action and quick hitters are some ways to help Lawrence out. Etienne and the WRs are talented but it is all for naught if the O line is deficient. My read is some of the WR talent will force their way out like Ramsey and some of their D did after 2017 run. Not a place players want to go sign and play for. Building through the draft takes time and Meyer has shown he won't hang in tough times. Lawrence will turn out like Stafford in Detroit Edited August 24, 2021 by freddyjj 1
machine gun kelly Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 Corta, I like you bud, but serious question, is he now called T-Law. If I’m in the dark, sorry. he’s a rookie. He has a college coach. Jac shouldn’t expect a lot at this point. That doesn’t mean over a couple of years they improve. I just don’t have an opinion other than they will be maybe 3-14 this year. I have nothing against the kid and hope he is not Darnolded. I actually hope except against us Darnold does well just like if we use Mitch this Saturday, he does well. Sometimes they are a victim of their circumstance. 2 1
AmishRifle Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: I watched the game last night. Saints D came after Lawrence early and often and he took some hits. They have better skill players than the Bills did when Allen was a rookie. Their Oline looks pretty bad though. Meyer looked disgusted at times. I'm not sure he's gonna be able to endure the growing pains. He might bail after a couple of seasons imo Open kimono—I really dislike Urban since he left Florida. The way he left just sucked. I foresee that he will claim a medical issue with his head again in the near future and not complete his contract. The lift is just too big for him. 2
maddenboy Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They are the only of the new QB teams I haven't watched a minute of in pre-season. That is the issue for that team - Big name coach, big ticket Quarterback..... but still the Jags and I can't find a reason to care about them. Reason: pre-scouting your future home team. Not as a rooting interest of course, but just to be conversant. "old-school" wrt the London Jaguars, if you will. They wont even have to change the team nickname, and will have a built-in stadium sponsorship deal. Just that it will suddenly become 3 syllables, instead of 2. (at least it will erase the mysterious letter "i" that somehow gets in there) Edited August 24, 2021 by maddenboy
Rico Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 I have no problem with Lawrence getting the crap beat out of him all year. 1 1
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 Looks like they won’t have Etienne for awhile to keep defenses honest. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32075203/jacksonville-jaguars-travis-etienne-indefinitely-midfoot-sprain-source-says
thenorthremembers Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 The Jaguars made the absolute wrong move in hiring Meyer. It feels a lot like the Raiders bringing Gruden back. While I think the offense will be ok eventually. Their defense looks to be atrocious when it comes to both scheme and personnel. 1
K-9 Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 Aside from watching one on one battles, there isn’t much else to pay attention to in preseason games, at least as far as schemes go. Nobody is scheming for anybody. That said, the Jags should be concerned that their OL is getting whipped like they are and I agree that they need to get Lawrence help ASAP. 1 minute ago, nucci said: T-Law? Ty Law? 1
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 I wonder for those of you who watched the league pre-expansion do you feel this way about other expansion teams? I have wondered whether my lack of care for the Jags is because they don't have the rich history of many other teams, there are no grainy films of the Jaguars in black and white. I don't feel that way about the Texans but then I kind of see them more as the continuation of the Houston franchise than the Titans but I also don't feel that way about Carolina. It is just Jacksonville. They are just really nothingness to me and I actually know a lot of Jags fans here in London, including a couple who followed them pre-International Series, but I dunno..... they are so meh.
Wayne Cubed Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wonder for those of you who watched the league pre-expansion do you feel this way about other expansion teams? I have wondered whether my lack of care for the Jags is because they don't have the rich history of many other teams, there are no grainy films of the Jaguars in black and white. I don't feel that way about the Texans but then I kind of see them more as the continuation of the Houston franchise than the Titans but I also don't feel that way about Carolina. It is just Jacksonville. They are just really nothingness to me and I actually know a lot of Jags fans here in London, including a couple who followed them pre-International Series, but I dunno..... they are so meh. I'll admit I feel the same about the Jags but then it's been that long since they were consistently any good and that was early on in their history when Coughlin was coaching. I remember back then, they were an exciting team to watch. They've just been nothingness for many years now and they don't have the fan base or rich history that many other teams have.
The Jokeman Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Looks like they won’t have Etienne for awhile to keep defenses honest. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32075203/jacksonville-jaguars-travis-etienne-indefinitely-midfoot-sprain-source-says They had James Robinson last year who was great for them, it's why many shocked Etienne was drafted to begin with.
BritBill Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wonder for those of you who watched the league pre-expansion do you feel this way about other expansion teams? I have wondered whether my lack of care for the Jags is because they don't have the rich history of many other teams, there are no grainy films of the Jaguars in black and white. I don't feel that way about the Texans but then I kind of see them more as the continuation of the Houston franchise than the Titans but I also don't feel that way about Carolina. It is just Jacksonville. They are just really nothingness to me and I actually know a lot of Jags fans here in London, including a couple who followed them pre-International Series, but I dunno..... they are so meh. I won't go to any of their London games. Dull, dull, dull.
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2021 Posted August 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, BritBill said: I won't go to any of their London games. Dull, dull, dull. Yea I went to watch them get killed by Harbaugh's 49ers the first time they came I think. It is the only time I have missed watching a Bills game in about 11 years. Since that the only Jags game I have been to was the Bills one. Duller than dull.
corta765 Posted August 24, 2021 Author Posted August 24, 2021 57 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Corta, I like you bud, but serious question, is he now called T-Law. If I’m in the dark, sorry. I have no idea I think people call him that, I like it its fun. 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wonder for those of you who watched the league pre-expansion do you feel this way about other expansion teams? I have wondered whether my lack of care for the Jags is because they don't have the rich history of many other teams, there are no grainy films of the Jaguars in black and white. I don't feel that way about the Texans but then I kind of see them more as the continuation of the Houston franchise than the Titans but I also don't feel that way about Carolina. It is just Jacksonville. They are just really nothingness to me and I actually know a lot of Jags fans here in London, including a couple who followed them pre-International Series, but I dunno..... they are so meh. I am not a Jags fan and when they are good their kind of a fun low key rival as we have had some games. But I really like Lawrence and I am curious how he does there. Their O-line is awful, we will run 9 sacks on them if they do not improve protection
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