Except for Josh, is Trubisky best QB since Bledsoe?

[Kelly the Dog]

7 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

Trubisky played a fantastic half of a preseason game.  He's a guy with talent and lots of starting experience who looks to be an excellent backup for the Bills.  Can we just leave it at that?  I certainly don't want Josh to get hurt, but if he does, and Mitch plays a number of meaningful games the way he played that one half of a preseason game today, we can reopen this conversation.

Good point.
 

BUT…

GMs like Beane, who is a great one, have to make decisions on stuff they don’t know. Like you just suggested. So on this message board, we often play GM, and pontificate or predict how things may turn out. GMs have to make hard decisions without knowing what will happen either. 
 

To me it’s okay to hypothesize about how well a guy might be. We’ve only seen about a half of a preseason game with Trubisky on the Bills so of course there is no way of knowing. But he’s played 50 games in the nfl. He’s not an unknown. 

[Kelly the Dog]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s the best playing with this offense and coaching staff.  Put him on some other bad bills teams and he may have busted even sooner than he did in Chicago 

That’s a good point. But… Even if true may still be best guy to run this Bills team. I was a Tyrod fan. I’m a huge Fitzy fan. But they are both clearly flawed as starters. I would easily have argued that Fitzy was the best #2 in the league last year. Tyrod, if not a good starter, is a very good backup. But IMO if Josh went down for a couple games, Trubisky may be a better option than Fitzy. 
 

if the Bills were worse, Fitz is the better option. Because he can win games by himself. But if you’re good, you don’t want a guy as erratic as that. You want an efficient guy who can do what you’ve been doing. 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

And almost Kelly?

 

To me, the only competition is Tyrod. And Tyrod obviously had his limitations. A lot of fans and posters here think that Trubisky is the best back up in the league. Unless you consider Tyrod a starter (and I like Tyrod more than most), that would assume Trubisky is a better option than Taylor. 
 

To me it’s very close. Neither are great. Neither might not be consistently good. But I think if I had to choose, right now, for who I’d rather lead the team if Josh went down, I may say Trubisky. 
 

Which would make him the best Bills QB since Drew Bledsoe. And maybe even Kelly. I think Trubisky would be as good as Bledsoe was at that time in his career.
 

And I don’t really think Trubisky is very good. As a starter, right now, no way. As a backup, hell yes. 

 

 

It’s preseason man EJ Manual before his ACL Tear was on track to be our best QB since Bledsoe then it all fell apart…preseason made Nathan Pederson look like Joe Montana 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s preseason man EJ Manual before his ACL Tear was on track to be our best QB since Bledsoe then it all fell apart…preseason made Nathan Pederson look like Joe Montana 

EJ hadn’t played 50 games in the NFL. No one thought EJ was a great prospect. Not a chance his talent was a #2 overall.  EJ was a decent prospect, probably 2nd round talent, that few ever become franchise guys. Trubisky was a far better prospect than EJ. Not really close. 

8 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s preseason man EJ Manual before his ACL Tear was on track to be our best QB since Bledsoe then it all fell apart…preseason made Nathan Pederson look like Joe Montana 

There is an enormous difference between Trubisky and Peterman, who shouldn’t even be in the league. 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

 

Not gonna say that you are wrong at all - just gonna say LOCK UP DABOLL!!!!  I know it isn't going to happen....everyone on the Bills staff from the ball boy on up proally wanna see Daboll move on to a HC position.....I get it.  But DAYAM if Pegs could take care of this before it happens???  Think about the distractions that WOULD NOT be in place when our Bills are sitting and waiting for the SB to play out.....just think about that.

If you are Daboll your life goal is to be a head coach somewhere. There is no amount of money any owner can pay that would prevent you from that. Granted, a guy like Daboll may not take any job like other guys (would and should). He can afford to be a little picky. Knowing he has Josh and the roster Beane assembled he pretty much knows his stock won’t go down. 
 

But 90% chance IMO he’s gone after this year. The offense is going to dominate. Josh is very likely (because of Josh not Daboll) to look even better. Daboll will rightfully get an offer he will take. 

[GunnerBill]

I'd have Fitz ahead of him but it's close.

[LyndonvilleBill]

56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I'd have Fitz ahead of him but it's close.

I think I would lean more towards MT. Only for the fact he has only been in the league for what, 4 years. Tyrod had 4 years on the bench before what, his first start? That's a lot of time to learn. Fitzpatrick started maybe 3 games his first 3 years? Again, time to learn. But, as it sits today if I had the unfortunate choice for someone to come in and play for Josh, I would pick MT. His play just looks closer to JA style than the others do and so far it looks like he can run the entire playbook. Just my opinion though.🤔

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I think I would lean more towards MT. Only for the fact he has only been in the league for what, 4 years. Tyrod had 4 years on the bench before what, his first start? That's a lot of time to learn. Fitzpatrick started maybe 3 games his first 3 years? Again, time to learn. But, as it sits today if I had the unfortunate choice for someone to come in and play for Josh, I would pick MT. His play just looks closer to JA style than the others do and so far it looks like he can run the entire playbook. Just my opinion though.🤔

 

It is definitely close and I agree Mitch is the perfect backup for us now. But if asked who would I want as a starter between 2011 Fitz and 2021 Mitch I am going 2011 Fitz still.

[KenMac]

Flutie

[SirAndrew]

I’d say yes, and he’s definitely a guy I’d trust to play decent football. Trubisky isn’t going to lift up a team on his own, but he’s good enough to lead a talented roster to wins. 2011 Fitzpatrick was brilliant for the first half of the season, but everyone forgets his second half was abysmal. I think Trubisky brings consistency to the table, albeit not brilliance. Consistency would be the best we’ve had at the QB position in years apart from Allen. 

[BillsShredder83]

8 hours ago, bills6969 said:

He’s actually better than Allen too

And almost Mahomes! 😆

[H2o]

I hope Trubisky doesn't have to play meaningful snaps this year because that means Josh is hurt. But if for some reason he does, then we can have to Frank Reich comparisons as to whom was the better backup. Right now that's all Trubisky is, is a backup. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I took an oath to not overreact to preseason football …. And that goes both ways. I was happy to see him torch his former team, but I won’t make sweeping generalizations otherwise. I wonder if they’ll package the game film with a nice bow and ship it to Frank Reich? 😂

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

And almost Kelly?

 

To me, the only competition is Tyrod. And Tyrod obviously had his limitations. A lot of fans and posters here think that Trubisky is the best back up in the league. Unless you consider Tyrod a starter (and I like Tyrod more than most), that would assume Trubisky is a better option than Taylor. 
 

To me it’s very close. Neither are great. Neither might not be consistently good. But I think if I had to choose, right now, for who I’d rather lead the team if Josh went down, I may say Trubisky. 
 

Which would make him the best Bills QB since Drew Bledsoe. And maybe even Kelly. I think Trubisky would be as good as Bledsoe was at that time in his career.
 

And I don’t really think Trubisky is very good. As a starter, right now, no way. As a backup, hell yes. 

 

 

 

I get the enthusiasm but no.

[hondo in seattle]

Bledsoe was really good for half a season and then wasted our time and broke our hearts.  

Tyrod was a good running quarterback for nearly a full season.  When ALynn was the HC and Tyrod the QB, the offense averaged something like 27 points/game.  Not stellar, but not chicken feed either.

 

Fitz was a great guy, a great leader, but had an erratic arm - particular on longer passes.  All those deep completions to Stevie?  I really believe Fitz grunted and heaved with all his might and then simply hoped for the best.  Johnson, for all his flaws, had a knack for tracking down a ball.    

 

Mitch played really well for the better part of one preseason game.  Personally, I'm not ready to draw any conclusions.  

 

 

Edited August 22, 2021 by hondo in seattle

[The 9 Isles]

Trubisky traded for a first before season starts. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

And almost Kelly?

 

To me, the only competition is Tyrod. And Tyrod obviously had his limitations. A lot of fans and posters here think that Trubisky is the best back up in the league. Unless you consider Tyrod a starter (and I like Tyrod more than most), that would assume Trubisky is a better option than Taylor. 
 

To me it’s very close. Neither are great. Neither might not be consistently good. But I think if I had to choose, right now, for who I’d rather lead the team if Josh went down, I may say Trubisky. 
 

Which would make him the best Bills QB since Drew Bledsoe. And maybe even Kelly. I think Trubisky would be as good as Bledsoe was at that time in his career.
 

And I don’t really think Trubisky is very good. As a starter, right now, no way. As a backup, hell yes. 

 

 

 

Yeah, after 20 years of trying to find a good QB, the Bills have somehow found 2 in the past 3 years. Praise Beane!

[Dr. Who]

Just now, The 9 Isles said:

Trubisky traded for a first before season starts. 

That would be utterly foolish. Do you want Webb or Fromm backing up Allen in a potential Super Bowl year?

You know, you build futures so you can win one of those.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

He’s always good in preseason, let’s chill.

[Chaos]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

That would be utterly foolish. Do you want Webb or Fromm backing up Allen in a potential Super Bowl year?

You know, you build futures so you can win one of those.

Nick Foles, Earl Morall, Jeff Hostetler and I am sure others helped lead teams to and through playoffs.  I think the Bills make the playoffs even if Josh misses a small number of games, regardless of who the backup is. I don't think the Bills make a run through the playoffs without Josh.  Clearly if the decision was "win the super bowl, or get a first" everyone would pick "win the super bowl".  Its not at all obvious those are the two choices.