Draconator Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, MJS said: Lowered his helmet to initiate contact, you mean? Yeah, that's a flag. So you determine my thoughts now? 1
marky Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 Awful play. No skill. You're in the NFL. Learn not to be penalized. 1 2
Augie Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Definitely a penalty by the rule, but it's not a dirty play and I'd be coaching the guys to make that hit all day. I agree it’s a penalty, but not a dirty play. There was no obvious intent to injure, but stuff happens at full speed. Because it’s going to be penalized every time, I would coach NOT to make the hit in that manner. It hurts your team. Aim for the numbers, put your head to the side, whatever. Just don’t bang helmets because that draws yellow flags. Still a great play I enjoyed watching, I must admit. 2 1 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, beavis said: Awful play. No skill. You're in the NFL. Learn not to be penalized. Beavis, you are a butthead💩 5 minutes ago, Augie said: I agree it’s a penalty, but not a dirty play. There was no obvious intent to injure, but stuff happens at full speed. Because it’s going to be penalized every time, I would coach NOT to make the hit in that manner. It hurts your team. Aim for the numbers, put your head to the side, whatever. Just don’t bang helmets because that draws yellow flags. Still a great play I enjoyed watching, I must admit. Not dirty, not a flag, Fields just learned he needs to tighten his chinstrap 1
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Jonathon Jones hit on Allen was probably clean too right I don't know, why don't you enlighten us .....
Augie Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Beavis, you are a butthead💩 Not dirty, not a flag, Fields just learned he needs to tighten his chinstrap Do you REALLY think that would not get a flag every time, or do you just wish it wouldn’t get a flag? I got some news for you, that will get a flag 10 out of 10 times. Refs don’t care about the chin strap. They are taught to protect the QB at all costs. Every. Single. Time. I don’t think it was intentional, and I enjoyed watching it (especially in a blowout preseason game), but I do NOT want to see that hit in a close playoff game. Have to play hard AND smart. 3 1
machine gun kelly Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 It’s tough these days as you have to try and anticipate what the QB is going to do at the last second, and although a definite penalty, as you just can’t have helmet to helmet hits. These LBers have to somehow miraculously hit with the shoulder pad with the head to the side and hit between the numbers on the jersey, and oh btw, you have to almost alligator roll off in mid air so you don’t land on the body of the QB full force. My point is that is a lot to know and act on in a split second, but by these rules, that was a penalty. I really don’t think he was intending to decapitate Fields, and Fields probably didn’t have his strap fastened down properly. Lastly, I think it looks a lot worse than it really was in real time. 1 1
PatsFanNH Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Draconator said: No it wasn't. Smith lowered his head towards Field's chest. Fields at the last minute lowered his head, making Smith's helmet contact the bottom of Fields face mask. I’ve watched that video 5 times and Fields never even saw him coming! He never lowered his head and the hit was high and reckless. That get you suspended in the regular season. 2 5
John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 And with that hit Smith makes the team 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Augie said: Do you REALLY think that would not get a flag every time, or do you just wish it wouldn’t get a flag? I got some news for you, that will get a flag 10 out of 10 times. Refs don’t care about the chin strap. They are taught to protect the QB at all costs. Every. Single. Time. I don’t think it was intentional, and I enjoyed watching it (especially in a blowout preseason game), but I do NOT want to see that hit in a close playoff game. Have to play hard AND smart. I want to see that hit on Brady 10 out of 10 times... hopefully there would be no flag as an added bonus but we all know better. I thought I saw contact with shoulder, how many times have we seen our guys just wrap a guy and wait for the whistle only to have them escape and throw a TD bomb? Probably never, but I do remember Watson and somebody else doing that to us for long gains...*****, Hughes gets 15 yards for patting a teammate on the helmet... Might as well ensure the 15 yards was worth it with a clean hit. I applaud the effort. 19 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I’ve watched that video 5 times and Fields never even saw him coming! He never lowered his head and the hit was high and reckless. That get you suspended in the regular season. It's OK Brady... the refs still are protecting you Edited August 21, 2021 by Sherlock Holmes
Malazan Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 In his post game press conference, Justin Fields was asked what he thought about the game. He answered, "What Game? We didn't have a game today."
Saxum Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 If you are going to do the time, might as well do the crime. Players get no credit for attempting to avoid bad hit. Reminds me of auto accidents. Even if you cannot avoid an accident by someone pulling into your path you are still penalized. 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: In his post game press conference, Justin Fields was asked what he thought about the game. He answered, "What Game? We didn't have a game today." Based on that he should be put on IR for a year with concussion like symptoms.
MJS Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 47 minutes ago, Draconator said: So you determine my thoughts now? You said he lowered his head to make a hit. That's what they call lowering the helmet to initiate contact, which is a flag.
ghostwriter Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Augie said: Do you REALLY think that would not get a flag every time, or do you just wish it wouldn’t get a flag? I got some news for you, that will get a flag 10 out of 10 times. Refs don’t care about the chin strap. They are taught to protect the QB at all costs. Every. Single. Time. I don’t think it was intentional, and I enjoyed watching it (especially in a blowout preseason game), but I do NOT want to see that hit in a close playoff game. Have to play hard AND smart. I hate to say this, I really do.. but penalty or not, whether this gets a flag 10/10 or not, whether what Smith did was illegal or not, if the Bills defense takes shots like this at the right time, it is an effective way to play defense. I agree that you can’t do this too often and I agree that in certain situations this isn’t the smart play, but tell me how many shots can Fields can take like this without seeing ghosts? If we can get a couple shots on Wilson, Tua and Mac Jones like this, wouldn’t you say it’s worth it? I think you have to weigh the penalties against the possible momentum shift of the game. I am against going after peoples knees and that sort of thing, that’s absolute bullcrap, but a few hits like the one Andre landed on Fields can win you football games.
Draconator Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, MJS said: You said he lowered his head to make a hit. That's what they call lowering the helmet to initiate contact, which is a flag. Just like EVERY other defensive player in the NFL. What Smith did is no different from any other player.
MJS Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 Just now, Draconator said: Just like EVERY other defensive player in the NFL. What Smith did is no different from any other player. Every player that makes contact in the head or neck area of a QB, and that includes the facemask, will get a flag. Those are the rules. It happens in almost every single game.
Buffalo ill Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 The people who are calling this hit dirty should just go watch soccer instead. If you and the owners have your way the nfl will be a flag football league in the next 15 years. 2 2
Draconator Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 1 minute ago, MJS said: Every player that makes contact in the head or neck area of a QB, and that includes the facemask, will get a flag. Those are the rules. It happens in almost every single game. Just curious. Are you an NFL coach?
1ManRaid Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Yeah, that’s called leading w the helmet. Plus launched at him. I would be livid if someone hit Allen like that. Watch the slow-mo, it was literally face into shoulder with the only helmet contact being a graze across the the edge of the face mask. And I'm actually a proponent of the roughing the passer rule. I've actually called out players on a number of occasions here for unnecessary drilling opponents,and you're just wrong.
ghostwriter Posted August 21, 2021 Posted August 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said: The people who are calling this hit dirty should just go watch soccer instead. If you and the owners have your way the nfl will be a flag football league in the next 15 years. And don’t think that other teams wouldn’t do this to Josh.
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