RoyBatty is alive Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 8:59 PM, GoBills808 said: Jonathon Jones hit on Allen was probably clean too right Expand One of the more idiotic and pathetic comebacks I have ever read.
GoBills808 Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 5:03 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: One of the more idiotic and pathetic comebacks I have ever read. Expand We aim to please 1
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 That hit was dirty. He launched. He led with his helmet. He hit him in the face with his helmet. It was an absolutely filthy play and totally unnecessary - ESPECIALLY in a meaningless game. 1 2 3
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) On 8/22/2021 at 12:01 AM, Ethan in Portland said: Wait until Allen gets hit like that and we will see this board go nuts Expand He was hit like that (worse imo) in game 1 by NYJ DE Bashem. The camera did not catch it too well and Josh completed the pass to Knox so it was not such a big deal, game effect wise. Josh had the ball out well before the hit. Edited August 23, 2021 by JESSEFEFFER 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 4:51 PM, YoloinOhio said: Fields said the hit itself didn’t hurt. The helmet hitting him in the eye did, though. He took accountability for the hit, as he should have. Expand No hate for Fields... I was referring to Brady. Glad to hear Fields took accountability, maybe he can pay the fine then On 8/23/2021 at 5:10 PM, Gugny said: That hit was dirty. He launched. He led with his helmet. He hit him in the face with his helmet. It was an absolutely filthy play and totally unnecessary - ESPECIALLY in a meaningless game. Expand Time to get your eye prescription adjusted Gugs... 1 1
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 5:10 PM, Gugny said: That hit was dirty. He launched. He led with his helmet. He hit him in the face with his helmet. It was an absolutely filthy play and totally unnecessary - ESPECIALLY in a meaningless game. Expand Funny how people can see the same play but see it differently. Smith's right foot was in the turf and his face mask struck Fields"shoulder. Thus, not lanched and not hitting him in the face with his helmet. Notice Fields still looking at the defense at the moment of impact. But, get used to these calls. There will be way more of them with an improved pass rush. Just a violent, legal hit often looks like a penalty. 1 1
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 5:44 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: Funny how people can see the same play but see it differently. Smith's right foot was in the turf and his face mask struck Fields"shoulder. Thus, not lanched and not hitting him in the face with his helmet. Notice Fields still looking at the defense at the moment of impact. But, get used to these calls. There will be way more of them with an improved pass rush. Just a violent, legal hit often looks like a penalty. Expand If you play/pause one more time, you'll see both feet off of the turf. This is a textbook picture of launching and leading with one's helmet - as well as hitting the opponent head-to-head. The call was correct. The league has been very actively trying to remove this exact type of hit from the game for years. It was a good call on a dirty hit. 2 1 1
eball Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 9:09 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: It was a penalty but it wasn't dirty or cheap Expand Bingo, end of story. End the thread here. 3
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) On 8/23/2021 at 5:50 PM, Gugny said: If you play/pause one more time, you'll see both feet off of the turf. This is a textbook picture of launching and leading with one's helmet - as well as hitting the opponent head-to-head. The call was correct. The league has been very actively trying to remove this exact type of hit from the game for years. It was a good call on a dirty hit. Expand A launch would have both feet off the ground before impact and the legs parallel. This is running through the tackle. You do realize that it is normal for any runner to have both feet off the ground during their stride? Edited August 23, 2021 by JESSEFEFFER
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) On 8/23/2021 at 5:56 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: A launch would have both feet off the ground before impact and the legs parallel. This is running through the tackle. You do realize that it is normal for any runner to have both feet off the ground. Expand Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: ... It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent's body. Looking at the picture, I'll stand by my original assessment that this is textbook launching. Edited August 23, 2021 by Gugny 1
Jauronimo Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 9:09 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said: It was a penalty but it wasn't dirty or cheap Would Smith get tossed for targeting if the NFL had college rules? I don't think he would have Expand Agreed. That hit will draw a flag 11/10 times in this league but it was not targeting. You cannot go high on the QB. Smith needs to lower the target to somewhere around the waist. But not too low. You cannot go low on the QB either. 1
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 Thanks for the quote. .................leaves both feet prior to contact.............The side of Smith's helmet did hit Smith's facemask after the initial impact. Yes, penalty. Launch no. Dirty no. But, different opinions make for a more interesting discussion. On 8/23/2021 at 6:07 PM, Jauronimo said: Agreed. That hit will draw a flag 11/10 times in this league but it was not targeting. You cannot go high on the QB. Smith needs to lower the target to somewhere around the waist. But not too low. You cannot go low on the QB either. Expand It happens often enough where the hit will be waist high and the impact and/or QBs' own movement will drive him backwards and the defender slides down toward the QB's knee area by the time they land. Penalty. Get used to them. We will see a bunch of them.
Gugny Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 6:08 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: But, different opinions make for a more interesting discussion. Expand This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! 2 2
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 6:19 PM, Gugny said: This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! Expand LOL. Ok. Maybe when the gout clears out of my feet. I posted this back thread but here is Bashem launching into Josh's helmet after the ball was out. Camera work is fuzzy, but this was a launch. Feet off the ground, legs parallel like Eddie the Eagle ski jumping. Near as I could tell there was not a fine.
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 6:19 PM, Gugny said: This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! Expand Make sure you bring Grimace with you to throw a beer in his face
Saxum Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 2:33 AM, Warcodered said: I think the helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. Expand I think the unproperly fastened helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. On 8/23/2021 at 6:19 PM, Gugny said: This is boring! When I call you a moron, then you call me an a-hole and we eventually agree to fight at the home opener ... THEN it's an interesting discussion! Expand Cage fights would be an interesting alternate to PSLs.
That's No Moon Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 11:38 PM, Limeaid said: I think the unproperly fastened helmet popping off made a lot of people overreact. Expand And he didn't fix it after that either. That seems to be an issue the league needs to fix in the name of player safety.
Saxum Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 11:40 PM, That's No Moon said: And he didn't fix it after that either. That seems to be an issue the league needs to fix in the name of player safety. Expand Well maybe it will get fixed by the game for that QB. Fixed like for a dog.
That's No Moon Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 11:42 PM, Limeaid said: Well maybe it will get fixed by the game for that QB. Fixed like for a dog. Expand I'm willing to bet he's worn his chin strap that way for a long time but I'm too lazy to look up OSU clips.
Saxum Posted August 23, 2021 Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 11:44 PM, That's No Moon said: I'm willing to bet he's worn his chin strap that way for a long time but I'm too lazy to look up OSU clips. Expand I have seen discussions about how it is better to wear it that way so when helmet is hit it absorbs the energy rather than player. Like argument it is better to not have seat belt on so you are thrown free of crash. 1
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