Rc2catch Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 TJ Watt and Khalil Mack thank all of you who don’t value RT in the first two rounds. Im just playing, no need to flame 2
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Teven Jenkins went in round 2 because he is a projection at left tackle. He can play right tackle but you don't draft right tackles in round 1. I would rather draft a RT in round one than a guard. If a tackle can't handle edge rushers at the NFL level, a lot of the time they can kick inside to guard and have a decent career. Quentin Nelson is one of the few 1st round guards to actually play up to his draft status. It usually doesn't make sense to take a guard that early because they can be signed in free agency pretty cheap (Feliciano makes only about $5 Million/year). In order to play Tackle in the NFL, you need to have a rare combination of size and agility that 99.9% of humans simply don't have. There are plenty of average athletes who perfect their technique and become solid NFL guards. 2 1
PonyBoy Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Why do people pound tables for anyone ? More Beer 🍻 1 1
BADOLBILZ Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Meh. I think Right Tackle is a position I'd draft in round 2 now. I just think teams have good enough edge rushers now that I see value in having bookends. But that guy better end up a two contract starter. Well, multi-contract RT or guard are/were generally very good players. You don't want to take a Cody Ford just because he looks like he *might* be a RT in a less than stellar draft for OT's. When draftee's disappoint......even if they finish up their first contract on a higher note.........that baggage usually leads them into the unrestricted free agent market. Call it the "Shaq Lawson" effect.😉 They look more attractive to the market than their own team.
billsbackto81 Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: Why do people pound tables for anyone ? For anyone? No! But for chicken wings and a good IPA.....😏
Ralonzo Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 This is presuming the RT you love and trade up to draft in the 2nd round ends up not getting moved to guard after a less than ideal rookie season (ducking) 1
4merper4mer Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 5 hours ago, HOUSE said: Why do people pound tables for anyone ? Kruschev also made baldness and furry hats all the rage. The Nikita trifecta if you will. 2
BruceVilanch Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: My least favorite draft season cliche. mine is "Sneaky athletic"
McBean Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 How Ryan Pace still Has a job in Chicago is mind blowing. The worst GM in the league. 1 1
Mountain Man Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: you don't draft right tackles in round 1. Do people seriously still believe that? The days of making do at RT are long. With creativity and variation of pass rush now, you need 2 good OTs as the rush comes from across the line. And teams recognise that in the draft
GunnerBill Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Mountain Man said: Do people seriously still believe that? The days of making do at RT are long. With creativity and variation of pass rush now, you need 2 good OTs as the rush comes from across the line. And teams recognise that in the draft Except teams don't. The results are pretty clear. I said all through draft season on Teven Jenkins "he isn't going round 1 folks" when he was considered a lock. Then 2 weeks before the draft suddenly his agent comes out and says "Teven can play left tackle he has been training at it" and yet what happened? He slipped out of round 1. Same happened with Jawaan Taylor a couple of years back. Doesn't matter how good you are if teams think you are a right tackle only they don't take you round 1. That isn't to say teams never take guys round 1 and start them at right tackle - hell the Superbowl Champions just did it with Tristan Wirfs but, critically, he was a college left tackle and he has demonstrated the ability to play that side. Which means for the Buccs they can consider flipping him when Donavan Smith's contract expires and it seems they are even trying to time it that way hence Smith's short extension. 1 1
BarleyNY Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Rc2catch said: TJ Watt and Khalil Mack thank all of you who don’t value RT in the first two rounds. Im just playing, no need to flame RTs have not yet reached equilibrium with LTs, but it has gotten a lot closer in recent years. The days of a much cheaper RT who is primarily a run blocker to go with a LT who is primarily a pass protector are gone. Both better be quality players in pass pro now. 2
Patrick Duffy Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: RTs have not yet reached equilibrium with LTs, but it has gotten a lot closer in recent years. The days of a much cheaper RT who is primarily a run blocker to go with a LT who is primarily a pass protector are gone. Both better be quality players in pass pro now. If your QB is left handed though RT may be a little more important with blind side protection 2
ganesh Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 19 hours ago, Mat68 said: The Lawson situation is exactly why Buffalo struggled for years. No real connection to the people at Clemson. Rex saying his son plays their he knows everything blah blah. I dont see that situation happening with McBeane. They would have found out about the shoulder. Each of them have their preferences...For Rex it was Clemson...For Beane, it is the Carolina Panthers. 1
GunnerBill Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: RTs have not yet reached equilibrium with LTs, but it has gotten a lot closer in recent years. The days of a much cheaper RT who is primarily a run blocker to go with a LT who is primarily a pass protector are gone. Both better be quality players in pass pro now. Yep this is true. But teams would still rather take a guy they think can flip to the left if their starter there goes down (think Ravens with Orlando Brown) early in the draft as opposed to taking a guy early who is only capable of playing the one side and is a more "traditional" right tackle. 2
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 19 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Bills fans don't just pound tables........ This is one of those sentences where if your put the emphasis on a different word each time you say it, give a whole new meaning😂
Mountain Man Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Same happened with Jawaan Taylor a couple of years back. . That slip was injury related, nothing to do with LT / RT
Billl Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 21 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: You would take a RT in round 2? Be hard for me to do that. But if I did I would go LT for sure before RT. Second round is a great spot to grab a RT and a terrible one for a LT. Legit LTs go in the first. Those still there in the second have serious warts. Same with QBs, really. Give me the best RT in the draft over the 6th best LT any day.
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 I’ve been following the Bears and their whole OL is a mess
LeGOATski Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I’ve been following the Bears and their whole OL is a mess Yeah, that potentially causes Dalton to struggle and then they throw in Fields too early.
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