Patrick Duffy Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, NickelCity said: It does feel like Butler is going to be the odd man out at DT Yeah it seems it may be the most likely scenario. I agree.
freddyjj Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Ok my take on the bottom of roster changes: The backup 1 DT is currently not on roster. Don't see Butler or Horrible Harry making it. Do see OBD keeping 4 eventually with Star, Ed and the Iron Giant (Zimmer) as 3 of the 4. A veteran pickup off waivers or a trade here is likely. CB2 will go to Levi but OBD has to be concerned about depth at outside CB. Can see another outsider being brought in. 6 CBs will make team with Tre, Levi, Taron, Siran as only 4 assured so far. The OL will be another revolving door at cut down time as Lamp, Hart and Douglas may bring trade offers for 5th-7th rd picks. Believe Bills will keep 9 and PS Doyle. LB will be only 5 at cut down as extra spot will go to DE, WR or TE/FB. Taiwan Jones, DE Johnson and Matekevich make squad as pure STers Edited August 11, 2021 by freddyjj 1
Doc Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 6 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I think @Alphadawg7 has a great point about Gilliam (FB) as an emergency TE. What does a 3rd TE offer you on your active roster? If they don’t play special teams, I’d rather them try to sneak a guy like Sweeney onto the PS and then have the option to promote him as needed given the current CoVID rules for PS elevations. Historically, they’ve carried 3 RBs and 1 FB, or 4 in total. Think back to Pat DiMarco and his ST contributions. I don’t see a way they carry, 4RBs AND a FB unless they really only have 2 TEs on the roster. They had Knox, Kroft and Smith at TE and Gilliam at FB on the opening day roster last year. They also had 4 RBs (including Jones, who was primarily just a gunner). Maybe they play with the numbers, I don't know, but I can see them keeping the same numbers.
Patrick Duffy Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Doc said: but I can see them keeping the same numbers Maybe.....but do you think the 2 extra games could change things a little bit? I think they keep 4 RBs and maybe extra on OL maybe. Edited August 11, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins
Doc Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Maybe.....but do you think the 2 extra games could change things a little bit? I think they keep 4 RBs and maybe extra on OL maybe. No idea. I think they should have expanded rosters with the move to 17 games. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 2 hours ago, freddyjj said: Ok my take on the bottom of roster changes: The backup 1 DT is currently not on roster. Don't see Butler or Horrible Harry making it. Do see OBD keeping 4 eventually with Star, Ed and the Iron Giant (Zimmer) as 3 of the 4. A veteran pickup off waivers or a trade here is likely. CB2 will go to Levi but OBD has to be concerned about depth at outside CB. Can see another outsider being brought in. 6 CBs will make team with Tre, Levi, Taron, Siran as only 4 assured so far. The OL will be another revolving door at cut down time as Lamp, Hart and Douglas may bring trade offers for 5th-7th rd picks. Believe Bills will keep 9 and PS Doyle. LB will be only 5 at cut down as extra spot will go to DE, WR or TE/FB. Taiwan Jones, DE Johnson and Matekevich make squad as pure STers I would love for us to be able to pick up a better 1TDT off waivers or in trade, but I don't see it happening. My $0.02 Butler probably gets cut; being out with a concussion isn't helping his chances. Then again, Harry may get cut again. To your point 5, please bear in mind that while he's a core ST'er, Matekevich has shown himself capable as a backup LB when he got the call. I thought he had played himself ahead of Dodson on the roster by the end of last season - looked that way in the Dolphins game. And if you don't believe that (and don't believe the Bills believe that) then we are CERTAINLY not going with 5 LB. Only way is if we think the ST guys (Dirty Red and Andre Smith) can both back up capably AND play ST, and even then...LB seem to get dinged a lot. 1 hour ago, Doc said: They had Knox, Kroft and Smith at TE and Gilliam at FB on the opening day roster last year. They also had 4 RBs (including Jones, who was primarily just a gunner). Maybe they play with the numbers, I don't know, but I can see them keeping the same numbers. I was thinking about it and I think Smith saw action primarily as an extra OLman. I think just keeping an extra OLman instead is a possibility.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 11, 2021 Author Posted August 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I agree with this personally, but the Bills seem to be 100% committed to Taiwan Jones. He is going to be on the roster and active every game day, even though he offers no positional flexibility or offensive depth. I definitely hear you on that, and understand the reasoning. I just think this is the year tough cuts for them have to be done and Taiwan isn't going to make it. I get though he is a ST ace for them, so I wont rule it out. I just dont know who they cut to keep him. This roster is deep right now 18 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Taiwan Jones and Daryl Johnson being released? That's really an assault to our Special Teams. It's all the rage for fans to release Taiwan because he doesn't offer much beyond Special Teams. But they knew that when they re-signed him. They talk him up as "maybe the best gunner in the NFL". I guarantee you, he will be on this roster. Whether fans like it or not. Its certainly possible, but like I said in another reply, I just don't who we cut/trade to keep him. For right now, I just don't know where to fit him in. Again though, this roster is prior to preseason play, so maybe once the games get going some cut worthy players will reveal themselves and make it easier to find spots for guys like Taiwan, Daryl, Hodgins, and Sweeney. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted August 11, 2021 Author Posted August 11, 2021 20 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think they will keep 11 on the Dline. Think one of those 11 ultimately will go. Yeah, certainly possible. I think if we dont keep 11, then the most likely candidates may be Butler or Addison (or both). But they seem to really like both too, so hard to say. But both of them would be guys he can get trade value for most likely.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 11, 2021 Author Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: In Alpha's scenario presumably Jake Kumerow becomes the starting gunner in place of Taiwan Jones. Who replaces Johnson's snaps is trickier but all 3 of his backup linebackers are good teams players. I just don't see 11 on the dline. I expect the extra spot either goes to Taiwan Jones or if they are happy with Kumerow as a gunner it goes to Sweeney as a 3rd tight end. Also quite possible, I even had a hard time keeping Sweeney off the roster as I think they do like him quite a lot and are going to try and keep him if they can. But with all the emphasis on DL and pressure to get to Mahomes, I had a harder time shrinking down the DL. Edited August 11, 2021 by Alphadawg7
Patrick Duffy Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah, certainly possible. I think if we dont keep 11, then the most likely candidates may be Butler or Addison (or both). But they seem to really like both too, so hard to say. But both of them would be guys he can get trade value for most likely. I don't think it would be much value. I guess at best maybe a 6th, 5th would be surprising imo. Although Beane is very good and can do things you'd normally think can't be done (hence Tyrod trade). Although I guess even a late pick like that would be considered value. imo I think Addison could maybe be worth more than Butler? 14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Personally, I fully believe Beane may bring in another TE They say Ertz will appear at any moment. Was reported within 48 hrs he'd be a Bill ...Lol Edited August 11, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins 1
SoCal Deek Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 There’s a reason the Bills went with two DEs at the top of the draft…a veteran is going to have to go. Someone has to, and I doubt they’re cutting their first round draft pick just weeks after picking him!
Patrick Duffy Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: There’s a reason the Bills went with two DEs at the top of the draft…a veteran is going to have to go. Someone has to, and I doubt they’re cutting their first round draft pick just weeks after picking him! If you're saying a DE has to go, who you think would be most likely to go if this is what happens? Not Espensa, Hughes I doubt..Obada is impressing so he would be a surprise. After D. Johnson there's a couple left I think? Is that the veteran you talking about?
wppete Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 D be very happy with that 53. Just hope we get Daryl Johnson on the practice roster somehow.
SoCal Deek Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: If you're saying a DE has to go, who you think would be most likely to go if this is what happens? Not Espensa, Hughes I doubt..Obada is impressing so he would be a surprise. After D. Johnson there's a couple left I think? Is that the veteran you talking about? I’m just saying a veteran is going for sure. And it won’t be Epenesa and probably not Obada based on what I’m reading about camp. Look at the original posted depth chart. One of those veterans is going.
Patrick Duffy Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I’m just saying a veteran is going for sure. And it won’t be Epenesa and probably not Obada based on what I’m reading about camp. That would leave 2 players left that's listed as DE if I'm not mistaken. And they probably would have a tough time making it anyway.
ndirish1978 Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 Pretty surprised and a little disappointed to see Butler listed as 2nd string 1 tech DT with Harry 3rd on the official depth chart
SoCal Deek Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 The other thread that just came up lists the team as THREE DEEP at both DE. Once again, we’ll see, but I doubt it.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 11, 2021 Author Posted August 11, 2021 56 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: I don't think it would be much value. I guess at best maybe a 6th, 5th would be surprising imo. Although Beane is very good and can do things you'd normally think can't be done (hence Tyrod trade). Although I guess even a late pick like that would be considered value. imo I think Addison could maybe be worth more than Butler? They say Ertz will appear at any moment. Was reported within 48 hrs he'd be a Bill ...Lol Yeah, I wouldn't expect much more value than that either, but picks are better than just cuts, and Beane always seems to get more value for people than we think, or value in situations when we didn't think there was any value. 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The other thread that just came up lists the team as THREE DEEP at both DE. Once again, we’ll see, but I doubt it. I mean 3 of our DE's have 1 year or less playing experience. So how many we keep is going to come down to how ready they feel they are to contribute this year. AJE obviously will play a lot, but both Rosseau and Boogie are still big question marks on what they feel they are capable of handling. If at least one of our 2 rookie DE's shines and gives the staff confidence they can be regular(s) in our DE rotation, then it will definitely increase the chances we keep less than 6.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 11, 2021 Author Posted August 11, 2021 Well this is good news, and definitely a differing perspective than some of the journalists have been saying. McD giving Knox a vote of confidence is a good thing. Impression I got from a lot of the reporters recaps is that he was struggling with consistency. Wonder if this is just McD keeping his confidence high, or maybe (and more likely) its just a more accurate accounting for his camp than maybe over critical journalists can have. I for one am pulling for Knox, and reading this from McD is encouraging. In fact, I am going to adjust my predicted 53 back from Hollister to Knox after seeing McD's confidence in him. Mainly because from what I have gathered over his time here is that McD pretty much means what he says, so I am going to trust this more than journalist reports through camp. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/11/sean-mcdermott-dawson-knox-really-good-training-camp-buffalo-bills/
The Dean Posted August 11, 2021 Posted August 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Last year, Singletary, Moss, Yates, Taiwan Jones. That's 4. Plus Gilliam, if you want to consider him a FB RB is a high injury position whose players take a lot of wear and tear. I don't see them carrying less than they carried last season. Yeldon? Alpha excellent effort. I agre with most (as they are fairly obviously). I also think, as others have pointed out, the numbers are a bit skewed to the D. I also think it is quite unlikely that both ST standouts will get cut. Perhaps if a couple players are realling killing it at ST it's possible. Still a really good attempt at this point dealing with the available info. What do you guys think of today's depth chart? Is Harrison really on the bubble, or could this be a motivational move?
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