Base for Edmunds extension? D Leonard signs 5 years 99 million

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 years 75M is my max for Edmunds and that is being far too generous already. 

[BruceVilanch]

I like Edmunds more than a lot of people on this board but he's not worth close to that

[TC in St. Louis]

Let's see how he does this year.  He played hurt last year, and Star wasn't on the field at all.  He's a superior athlete, and this year will establish his value.  

[Ray Finkel]

You have to like contact to play the middle.  Unless he has a huge year he will not get the big contract.  I like the kid and wish they would try him off the edge so he can use his athleticism.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

 

 

 

Are you willing to pay something similar for an Edmunds extension? 

 

 

Two years from now? Maybe. The cap will be soaring again.

 

Now, certainly not. It'll depend on how he plays this year. I can't imagine they'd give him a contract like this now. 

 

Edmunds is a Pro Bowler. But Leonard is an All-Pro, a three-timer. That's a major difference.

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Thurman#1

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Edmunds is nowhere near the level of Leonard. He's worth half that based on his level of play.

And we actually traded up for Edmunds. Even more proof the draft is a crap shoot and scouts aren't always the most reliable source of talent evaluation

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

4 for 80 is sniffing 5 for 99

You’re right. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

With the new guy from the Texans being fairly capable I wouldn't mind some occasional sets where Edmunds plays outside and see how he does where doesn't have to react as much.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, UConn James said:

Edmunds ain’t an All-Pro, for one.

 

A number of opponents have been rushing on this D with relative ease / for big gains in the past few years. And maybe that’s due partly to scheme…. But I’m just going to write the obvious here: there’s a LOT riding on this season for him wrt his role & future on the team and his contract.

 

 

There absolutely is a lot riding on this season. 

 

But they really haven't been rushing on this D "with relative ease / for big gains in the past few years."

 

2018    4.2 defensive YPC

2019    4.3 defensive YPC

2020    4.6 defensive YPC 

 

When Star was in front of the LBs on early downs, and Edmunds and Milano were mostly healthy, the Bills were pretty good to decent against the run. It was last year they got significantly worse. And then better at the end of the year as they got healthy.

Edited August 8, 2021 by Thurman#1

[BarleyNY]

I think we know who Edmunds is as a player already and he’s not worth close to that IMO.  He does, however, deserve a chance to prove he is.  We have him locked up for two seasons so let’s see how this year - and maybe next - goes. 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

 

 

 

Are you willing to pay something similar for an Edmunds extension? 

Until he becomes a tackling machine….nope

[Brand J]

Right now, Edmunds is the second most impactful LB on this roster, despite being the most physically gifted. All we can hope is that the lights come on in year 3 and he becomes the force we need in the middle. 

[BuffaloBill]

I just don’t understand the edmunds hate around here. The guy is respected by coaches and peers alike. He is also yet to hit his ceiling. 

[Thurman#1]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I think we know who Edmunds is as a player already and he’s not worth close to that IMO.  He does, however, deserve a chance to prove he is.  We have him locked up for two seasons so let’s see how this year - and maybe next - goes. 

 

 

Agreed that we need to see how it goes.

 

But I don't think we know much about how the younger players from the last two or three years can be. Last year's lack of an off-season was a major handicap for younger guys. Took away a lot of their chances to grow and develop. Last season was like none before and I believe we'll find a lot of guys league-wide making major "unexpected" leaps forward this year, particularly young ones.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Edmunds is not fit to tie Leonard's shoelaces.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

12 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

And we actually traded up for Edmunds. Even more proof the draft is a crap shoot and scouts aren't always the most reliable source of talent evaluation

He had all the measurables, but instincts are extremely important for a mlb. We traded up from #22 to #16 for Edmunds and then Leonard went at #36. The draft is a lottery and I would rather keep my picks (or trade down) to have as many tickets as possible. 

 

The Josh Allen trade-up has been the only successful one. We gave up draft capital for Zay Jones, Tremaine Edmunds, Cody Ford, and Dawson Knox and they are all either underachievers or busts.

[Shaw66]

I see all that you guys are seeing, but I am not sure that any of us is seeing what the coaches see.  There was a thread a few weeks ago about a coaches' and scouts' poll, and a lot of them said Edmunds is a nightmare to plan for, because of his length and his range.   

 

The point is that the value that Edmunds brings to the team may be greater than what we see.  We see a guy who is not a hitter, is close but isn't a natural cover guy, a guy who is around the ball but makes few impact plays.  I suspect what the coaches see is a guy who makes the game easier for the defensive backs and the other linebackers.  

 

Whether that is worth $100 million is a different question.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

 

If you have been bickering against the narrative that Edmunds isn't playing up to expectations/potential.........or making excuses for why he hasn't........but still don't think he deserves $20M/yr for his age 24-28 seasons.........there's your sign that you have been wrong all along.

 

This is the new market rate for a top, young veteran MLB.

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I mean…that guy is a fringe top 20 player in the NFL. Edmunds might not be that much better then a guy we could take in round 2 next year. No. You don’t give him a deal like that. Milano is the best LB on the team. Edmunds needs to start playing faster and not over thinking or he’s going to be one of the guys that becomes a casualty of war cap wise.

[BarleyNY]

19 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Agreed that we need to see how it goes.

 

But I don't think we know much about how the younger players from the last two or three years can be. Last year's lack of an off-season was a major handicap for younger guys. Took away a lot of their chances to grow and develop. Last season was like none before and I believe we'll find a lot of guys league-wide making major "unexpected" leaps forward this year, particularly young ones.

I know Tre is young, but 2020 was year 3 for him.  I see how his injury likely impacted his ability to take on blockers.  The good with him are the splash plays.  He makes some great ones.  He is outstanding at scraping sideline to sideline.  But on the bad side are his mistakes, of which there are too many.  If he cleaned up his coverage and gap integrity issues, he’d probably be an All Pro.  But those haven’t gotten better and I don’t think a full offseason in 2020 would’ve made a big difference.  Still, things can click for players.  Maybe it’ll be easier for him this season with him being fully healthy.