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[Beast]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Great pic! I know he said he’s not big on putting photos like this in his house, but he should make an exception 

 

He may not have know the extent of it

 

No wonder they need a new stadium. Those overhead lights in the tunnel look like a grease monkey hung them in a garage.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Didn't see this linked

 

https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/sports/allen-bills-offense-have-big-day-in-front-of-18-000-fans-at-return-of/article_eed922a4-041e-577f-9bb9-e8a0f26209e3.html

 

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As far as the Bills’ defense was concerned, the play of the day came from safety Micah Hyde, who intercepted an Allen pass intended for Stefon Diggs. Allen threw the ball a bit behind Diggs, which allowed Hyde to read the pass, leap up and over the Buffalo WR and secure the highlight-reel pick.

 

I'm not going to paste them all in here, but this author has a LOT of good Video clips in his Twitter feed, and some of them give a good feeling of what was meant by the comment about the DL being in the backfield all the time.

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the grab McKenzie didn't make, so anyone can judge the degree of difficulty:

 

 

 

 

And here's the Hyde interception

 

 

Matekevich interception:

 

[Solomon Grundy]

I’m not surprised to see Josh excelling in camp. My question is how is Trubisky looking? Is there any video of him leading the offense in a positive manner? 

[Gambit]

The catch that McKenzie didn't make looks like he stopped running for a bit. I wonder if he kept going, he might have actually caught it.

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I don’t think AW will get a real chance. coaches never seem to give undrafted RB’s a fair shake. It’s only after a spate of injuries that Some of these guys get a chance, and they then end up shining (Priest Holmes, Arian Foster, Willie Parker, Fred Jackson…). 

 

 

I agree that they might do that,  even if they like what AW is doing now a bit more.

 

OZ RB's are probably the cheapest and easiest kind to find......so subjecting AW to waivers isn't exactly high risk.   They can always find another.    Finding another player with DS skillset would at least be a bit more difficult............and if they want to flip a gameplan or if they have to make an adjustment to how they are being defended with a return to man blocking.........Singletary is easily the best option they have for that.

 

However,   Antonio Williams can also contribute on special teams...........so having him active adds versatility to the lineup.   

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Didn't see this linked

 

https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/sports/allen-bills-offense-have-big-day-in-front-of-18-000-fans-at-return-of/article_eed922a4-041e-577f-9bb9-e8a0f26209e3.html

 

 

I'm not going to paste them all in here, but this author has a LOT of good Video clips in his Twitter feed, and some of them give a good feeling of what was meant by the comment about the DL being in the backfield all the time.

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the grab McKenzie didn't make, so anyone can judge the degree of difficulty:

 

 

 

 

And here's the Hyde interception

 

 

Matekevich interception:

 

 

 

 

It would be big if Micah Hyde returns to playmaking form..........last year was the least impactful of his career in terms of turnover production.

[Simon]

42 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

It would be big if Micah Hyde returns to playmaking form..........last year was the least impactful of his career in terms of turnover production.

 

Since Poyer got his mind right, him and Hyde have sort of switched roles, impact-wise.

I've always loved Micah's game but he looked like he lost half a step last year; his role in this defense is more dependent on getting help from up front so hopefully that step back was partially a result of an ineffective front. If Oliver and an upgraded DE rotation can start doing more to move QBs around, maybe Hyde's uncanny nose for the ball starts coming back to the fore. We're not likely to see a whole lot of playmaking from the corners so it would be nice if we had the best safety tandem in the NFL.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, nucci said:

Can't see him being traded. Need good depth at RB and we barely have it

We have plenty of good depth.  We barely have a starter 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/training-camp-observations-bills-d-makes-splash-plays-before-18-000/article_0ba1e92a-f7b9-11eb-8911-83793897d838.html

 

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The defense made the splash plays.
Safety Micah Hyde was in back end coverage late in the practice when he closed on an intermediate crossing route by Stefon Diggs. It was not the first option for Allen, which may have helped Hyde read the play better. Hyde leaped over the side of Diggs with his body hanging horizontal to the ground and caught the ball before it could reach Diggs’ hands. It was an impressive display of athleticism.

“That was a terrible play,” Diggs joked. “Pass interference. ... But it was a hell of a play. I'm happy to see our defense making plays, whether it's on me or anybody else. Definitely gonna need that going into the season. Trying to get a lot of turnovers to get the ball back for us, so a win-win, I guess.”

 

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Four series earlier, middle linebacker Tyler Matakevich read the eyes of quarterback Jake Fromm, picked off a short pass and returned it 30 yards for a touchdown. It was a stunner because Matakevich was engaged just past the line of scrimmage with 6-foot-5 offensive lineman Caleb Benenoch, which is probably why Fromm didn’t see him. Matakevich, aka “Dirty Red,” gave Benenoch a quick shove and plucked the ball out of the air.

 

I have to think it's going to help the offense adjust to have the defense making plays like that.

 

More info on the starters:

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Starters report.

Because fans were in the stands, the media was allowed to report which players were working with the first units.

There was a lot of talk in the offseason about an intense battle for starter at cornerback opposite White. However, Levi Wallace took all the snaps with the first-team defense, while Dane Jackson worked with the second team. Wallace has started all 35 games he has played for the Bills the past three seasons.

With both starting offensive tackles out, rookies got a lot of prime practice snaps. The starting offensive line to open the practice was left tackle Spencer Brown, left guard Feliciano, center Mitch Morse, right guard Cody Ford and right tackle Bobby Hart. Brown is the Bills’ 6-8 third round pick. Tommy Doyle, the 6-8 fifth-round pick, took the place of Hart with the starters for much of the practice. Guard Ike Boettger got some snaps with the starters. The second-team offensive line at times included, from left to right, Jordan Devey, Boettger, Ryan Bates, Jamil Douglas and Hart. There was considerable shuffling along the line, as there always is in training camp, since the coaches need to get linemen comfortable at multiple positions.

With two starters on the defensive line out (Hughes and Lotulelei), there was considerable shuffling on that unit, as well. The opening first-team included Greg Rousseau, Ed Oliver, Butler and A.J. Epenesa. But Efe Obada, Mario Addison, Harrison Phillips and Justin Zimmer all saw some snaps with the first unit.

 

[nucci]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

We have plenty of good depth.  We barely have a starter 

yeah, kinda what I meant

[brianthomas]

Forgive me if this has been posted already. But i saw this on youtube, a 20 minute video of the practice yesterday

Need to fast forward a bit for the good stuff

 

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

Forgive me if this has been posted already. But i saw this on youtube, a 20 minute video of the practice yesterday

Need to fast forward a bit for the good stuff

 

 

11-on-11 drills start at 7:20 for anyone that wants to skip ahead.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/7/2021 at 1:53 PM, stevewin said:

- During the kick returners practicing off jugs machine, mckittrick twice lost the ball and it bounced in front of him - then each time gestured to everyone the sun got in my eyes.  The other returners were trying to explain to him how to catch the ball in the sun - put hand over sun etc, finally at the end Hyde also came over to explain it to him.  It is absolutely crazy to me he didn't know how to field a ball in the sun.  Also had a horrible drop on an unbelievable throw Josh made scrambling to his right then fired a rocket back across to the middle of the field - perfect throw prob for TD that he just dropped

 

I give you full credit that you saw what you saw about catching the ball in the sun.

 

After watching a video clip of the "horrible drop", you're in a "falling credibility" zone there.  That "perfect throw" required McKenzie to jump at least a foot off the ground and extend fully to get his hands on it.

 

Drops usually defined as a ball that could hit the WR hands without the receiver making any extraordinary effort, such as leaving his feet to jump or dive.  Hits the WR hands between his jersey numbers and he doesn't hang on, that's a "horrible drop"

 

If McKenzie made that, it would have been a circus catch; it falls into the category of "possible, but high degree of difficulty throw and catch".

 

Some would also call it a "hospital ball" because Taron Johnson was closing fast as McKenzie made his leap and in a game, would have hit him full speed as he came down with it, and McKenzie very likely would have gone to the ground as he tucked it a way. 

 

Catch on the 5 yard line, Yes.  "prob for TD that he just dropped", Nopenope, srry.

 

 

Josh needs to throw that a bit lower, or target a taller receiver.

 

 

5 hours ago, Gambit said:

The catch that McKenzie didn't make looks like he stopped running for a bit. I wonder if he kept going, he might have actually caught it.

 

I think it would still have been over his head at full extension, though if he'd been able to track it and just jump straight up he might have manged the catch.

 

It was a scramble drill, and it's possible Josh needed/expected him to be at a different spot and they'll discuss it and fix.

 

I believe McKenzie was expecting the ball to go to Diggs and sat down on his route to keep the guy covering him, Taron Johnson, from joining the party around Diggs.   Allen saw Hyde leave the center of the field and cheat over behind Diggs and that's when he threw to McKenzie.

 

That was a definite "arrogant arm" throw since QB are taught not to throw from their R back to the middle of the field, high probability of INT that way.

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

If you didn’t buy Ticongerogas and Elmers, return them! 

Old school #2s and the kids glue of legend. Keep Traditions alive and healthy 

[3rdand12]

Great to get so much info from All who have shared here. Great reading through this thread today 

Thanks

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

After watching a video clip of the "horrible drop", you're in a "falling credibility" zone there.

"Falling credibility"? Are you serious?  I was just taking the time to report what I saw live - and what everyone else around me saw and comented on - a dropped ball after a great throw

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  That "perfect throw" required McKenzie to jump at least a foot off the ground and extend fully to get his hands on it

OMG - jump 12 inches and STILL be expected as an NFL receiver to make a catch!  Tell me it isn't so!  If it makes you feel better I can replace perfect with great - the scramble and incredible rocket across his body across the field, the tape does not capture how great the throw/effort was

 

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Drops usually defined as a ball that could hit the WR hands without the receiver making any extraordinary effort, such as leaving his feet to jump or dive.  Hits the WR hands between his jersey numbers and he doesn't hang on, that's a "horrible drop"

I define drops as balls that should be caught and aren't.  "Horrible" was definitely colored by what Josh did to make that play - it was a pass that hit him in the hands and was also horrible he dropped it after the great effort/throw that Josh made

 

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If McKenzie made that, it would have been a circus catch; it falls into the category of "possible, but high degree of difficulty throw and catch".

That's your opinion, and differs from mine that saw it live.  Jump, extend, hit the hands and catch.  This reminds me of the parsing of throws Josh's rookie year where people would argue if a throw was a foot off center.  NFL receivers aren't paid to only catch balls that hit them in the numbers - they are paid to make catches for balls they get their hands on.  Definitely not a circus catch - a non-trivial catch good receivers would be expected to make the majority of the time

 

If you want to Zapruder the film some more - notice how the ball hits him in the hands and he pushes it down to land at his feet - it's not like it went over his extended fingertips - it squarely hit him in the meat of his hands

 

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Catch on the 5 yard line, Yes.  "prob for TD that he just dropped", Nopenope, srry.

Yepepep, srry.  He's running toward the EZ - catch the ball at the 5 and 100% walk or fall into the EZ - the laws of physics and momentum still apply on the 5 yd line

Edited August 8, 2021 by stevewin

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Great to get so much info from All who have shared here. Great reading through this thread today 

Thanks

Special shout out to Badol for an outstanding analysis of the Bills RB and running game situation.  

[Don Otreply]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

We have plenty of good depth.  We barely have a starter 

I for one have faith that Singletary and Moss will do just fine this season, we aren’t going to have noticeably more running plays, as we will continue to pass 70 plus percent of the time, we just need the running game to be effective when it’s called upon, the likely hood of either of them getting one thousand yards running isn’t that high, (not that that would be a bad thing).  It would be real nice to have both of them hit 800 plus all purpose yards, jmo. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Bangarang]

Arguing over a meaningless incomplete pass during training camp is the kind of content I come here for. 

[Don Otreply]

20 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Look............I don't want to like Antonio Williams...........he is a boring, straight line runner with zero wiggle or flash who I could not understand why they had on this roster last summer.    Total misfit.   But then they changed styles.  

 

 I'm not a real fan of OZ run blocking.   We were spoiled by Roman/Lynn and even to an extent by the man blocking we got in 2019(and the glimpse we got in the NE home game last season).

 

But this is about what's best for the offense.   Specifically the passing game.   Daboll seems to have made up his mind.   Tempo and time for Josh matter more.   I am for whatever is best for JA.

 

And Devin Singletary tip-toeing to the line hoping to get a block that creates open field opportunities that is NOT COMING is a recipe for TFL's and TFNG.    You gotta' hit it or forget it in OZ.    That's not been his style and if they don't get efficient at the style of run blocking they choose they are going to be off schedule and largely out of balance again.   Nobody wants that.

I understand what your trying to convey, I am certain that Dabol’s boss’s ,  Beane & McDermott told him to utilize the talent currently on hand, in fact Beane specifically said that our running scheme required revamping for this upcoming season, so I am certain that Dabol is not going to trot out the same schemes and techniques that did not work well last season, he got the ultimatum at Beane’s season ending PC to fix it, and I’m thinking that’s exactly what he is going to do, the schemes will play to both of our starting RBs skill sets, relevant to which one is on the field at a given time, that and our RBs and O line guys got the same message, so I am also certain both Singletary and Moss et all, will fix their end of the equation or end up under employed in the near future…, have faith, the running game is going to be better this season, 👍