Norcalbillsfan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: Yeah Lamar is not in that elite passer tier I’d put players like Allen, Rodgers and Mahomes. Ravens’ fans can believe what they want I’ve seen enough of LJ to know he has some pretty obvious limitations. but we’ll see. He could improve and move into that top tier. He’s going to end up getting paid like he’s in that tier either way. It still blows my mind that we watched Allen and Jackson go head to head this year and Allen without question out duelled Jackson and people still argue jackson is better. 1 1
JoPoy88 Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Bills were pretty obviously selling out the passing game to defend Lamar in 2019 and 2020 when they played him And the W in 2019 wasn't because that mode of defense failed, it hinged on a handful of other plays such as Judon's strip sack of Allen on the Buff 26 yd line and a couple other plays. without a doubt. While @Protocal69 is definitely right there are plenty out there that think LJ is an “elite” passer, there are others, right on this board, that think Jackson is a one-dimensional, total non-threat as a thrower. I think both those are wrong. He can make throws.
sherpa Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Actually no one really out dueled anyone thanks to the wind playing a huge part. The difference in the game was a pick 6. A pick six is the worst thing a qb can do. One qb did, one didn't. I'd give the "duel" decision to the one who didn't. 3 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: A pick six is the worst thing a qb can do. One qb did, one didn't. I'd give the "duel" decision to the one who didn't. Agree on the pick 6 worst. To be fair to LJ, when a pass is intercepted on the opponents goal line, "pick 6" is not the usual outcome. One QB threw a TD (1-0), one QB threw a pick-6 (0-1). So to the chap you're responding to, the difference in the game is a bit more than a pick-6. 1 1
JoPoy88 Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, sherpa said: A pick six is the worst thing a qb can do. One qb did, one didn't. I'd give the "duel" decision to the one who didn't. it was a bad play (probably the worst play in that situation). But it wasn’t like Allen blew him out of the water that game is all we’re saying. And it’s not like QBs are playing truly “head-to-head” ever anyways.
GoBills808 Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 Jackson can credibly make the argument to get more than Allen. And if they keep running read option the Ravens won’t need a ton of cap for top skill positions…but then the question becomes whether you need to spend that much on a QB for that offensive system. Mayfield on the other hand has no grounds to be close to highest paid and will likely suffer most from such a contract.
nucci Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: He don't care what nobody say....does he understand that statement? 2 1
Putin Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Protocal69 said: Ravens fans and supporters ALL make the argument that Lamar is a great passer because he won MVP, threw for 36 Tds and has a higher QBR. While that is true it really doesn't tell the whole story. Yes they bring up the 36 TD the QBR and he’s 1200 rushing yards , but you’ll never hear anything about his passing yards that season
ghostwriter Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, nucci said: He don't care what nobody say....does he understand that statement? Even if Ramsey would come to Buffalo on the vet minimum, I wouldn’t take him. He’s a trash human being. You can’t build a team around those type of “me” people. 1
Ralonzo Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, nucci said: He don't care what nobody say....does he understand that statement? 3
Putin Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Actually no one really out dueled anyone thanks to the wind playing a huge part. The difference in the game was a pick 6. The difference in the game was Allen throwing a TD and Lamar threw a pick 6 , and even without the pick 6 we still win that game . Go Bills baby !!! Edited August 8, 2021 by Putin 2
Protocal69 Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Putin said: Yes they bring up the 36 TD the QBR and he’s 1200 rushing yards , but you’ll never hear anything about his passing yards that season Never my guy. Its like they lie through omission. Those are the 3 stats that they bring up and they act like he did that for ALL 3 Seasons. 2 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said: It still blows my mind that we watched Allen and Jackson go head to head this year and Allen without question out duelled Jackson and people still argue jackson is better. Because they got the built in excuse that Allen has Diggs so it doesn't count
The Dean Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 I admit I haven't read every message, so perhaps the info I'm looking for is buried in this thread. If so, just let me know. But I googled a bit and still can't find precisely what I'm looking for. What was Josh's cap hit for 2021 and 2022 BEFORE the new contract. And with the new contract what are the salary cap hits now. I've heard he saved us money in 2022, but I haven't seen the before and after numbers for both years. I'm completely stoked with the contract no matter what, but I'm curious. Thanks in advance.
Doc Brown Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Even if Ramsey would come to Buffalo on the vet minimum, I wouldn’t take him. He’s a trash human being. You can’t build a team around those type of “me” people. What if he apologized? 1
The Wiz Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The Dean said: I admit I haven't read every message, so perhaps the info I'm looking for is buried in this thread. If so, just let me know. But I googled a bit and still can't find precisely what I'm looking for. What was Josh's cap hit for 2021 and 2022 BEFORE the new contract. And with the new contract what are the salary cap hits now. I've heard he saved us money in 2022, but I haven't seen the before and after numbers for both years. I'm completely stoked with the contract no matter what, but I'm curious. Thanks in advance. I think it was about 8m over the next 2yrs that they save. I'm sure I'm wrong but I feel like I'm close. And I'm lazy so someone else can tell you eventually. 🙂 Edited August 8, 2021 by The Wiz
The Dean Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I think it was about 8m over the next 2yrs that they save. I'm sure I'm wrong but I feel like I'm close. And I'm lazy so someone else can tell you eventually. 🙂 No problem. You answered my question on the other thread. But this is the kind of stuff I'm seeing, as well as a few others. Just looking for the year by year breakdown. But thanks for the effort.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 45 minutes ago, The Dean said: I admit I haven't read every message, so perhaps the info I'm looking for is buried in this thread. If so, just let me know. But I googled a bit and still can't find precisely what I'm looking for. What was Josh's cap hit for 2021 and 2022 BEFORE the new contract. And with the new contract what are the salary cap hits now. I've heard he saved us money in 2022, but I haven't seen the before and after numbers for both years. I'm completely stoked with the contract no matter what, but I'm curious. Thanks in advance. Good question. Allen's 5th year option is easy: $23M https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/03/buffalo-bills-fifth-year-option-josh-allen-tremaine-edmunds/ It's not as easy to find what his cap hit was this year before the new contract. I think his cap hit this year (before the new contract) was $6.9M. I got there by taking the reported value of his rookie deal, $21.183M, and subtracting his reported cap value for 2018, 2019, and 2020. https://overthecap.com/player/josh-allen/6892/ If correct, his contract ADDED to the Bills cap liabilities by $3.3M this season, but they will save $6.62M next season Hope this helps 4 1
The Dean Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good question. Allen's 5th year option is easy: $23M https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/03/buffalo-bills-fifth-year-option-josh-allen-tremaine-edmunds/ It's not as easy to find what his cap hit was this year before the new contract. I think his cap hit this year (before the new contract) was $6.9M. I got there by taking the reported value of his rookie deal, $21.183M, and subtracting his reported cap value for 2018, 2019, and 2020. https://overthecap.com/player/josh-allen/6892/ If correct, his contract ADDED to the Bills cap liabilities by $3.3M this season, but they will save $6.62M next season Hope this helps Well, yes it does. Thanks. That gives me a bit of confidence on 2022. I'd love to get a definitive answer on this year? I would think, when reporting the structure and its impact on the cap, a good reporter (who specializes in this sort of thing) might have (and share) this information. But they haven't so far, as far as I can tell. I see comments that now the Bills are in cap hell. I know the contract is structured pretty well going forward to avoid that. But I wonder, what has it done to this year's cap? How much cap room did the Bills have before he signed? How much do they have now? Should be simple, right?
Simon Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Dean said: But I wonder, what has it done to this year's cap? How much cap room did the Bills have before he signed? How much do they have now? Should be simple, right? I'm really terrible with this stuff so take this with a truckload of road salt, but I think they were about 9mil under the cap before and are about 6 mil under now? 1 1
The Dean Posted August 8, 2021 Posted August 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm really terrible with this stuff so take this with a truckload of road salt, but I think they were about 9mil under the cap before and are about 6 mil under now? Seems about right. Thanks Simon. How ya doin? I didn't even realize the Bills had that much to spend, this year.
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