Josh Allen: Contract extended through 2028

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

I never denied that he should have won the MVP. What Im saying again is I think you shouldn't win MVP just to be one and done in the playoffs. Also I don't feel that his MVP says he is a great passer or that he is better than Josh Allen as overall QB.

What does this even mean? The two aren’t linked in any way. You’re responding to us like we’re dense when you’re not explaining whatever point this is clearly at all. Playoff games are tougher to win; the competition is more talented than many of the team you play in the regular season. 
 

But you’re saying (I think?) an MVP QB should never go one and done in playoffs? Sorry no. The MVP award is an individual honor, Wins and losses are on the team. 
 

 

 

 

[Protocal69]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

What does this even mean? The two aren’t linked in any way. You’re responding to us like we’re dense when you’re not explaining whatever point this is clearly at all. Playoff games are tougher to win; the competition is more talented than many of the team you play in the regular season. 
 

But you’re saying (I think?) an MVP QB should never go one and done in playoffs? Sorry no. The MVP award is an individual honor, Wins and losses are on the team. 
 

 

 

 

You made the assumption that I said I questioned how did he win the MVP if he was one in done. The mere fact that I had to explain what I meant shows in that instance you and a few other were dense. Im not stupid. I didn't need be explained what criteria goes into voting for MVP so you did to me what you are trying to imply that I am doing to you. Crazy. You acting like Im saying that if someone like Derrick Henry won MVP that if the Titans went one and done I would look at Henry bad and that's not the case cause he is a running back. QB is just a little different.

 

So if wins and loss are on the team then why are QB win totals always mentioned when discussing QB's How many times have you heard Brady is 30-3 vs the BILLS. Rarely is it the Patriots are 30-3 vs the Bills. Its the same with Mahomes and for that matter Lamar. Yes in the totality WINS ARE TEAM stats (again I didn't need you to tell me that) BUT the QB is the by FAR the biggest contributor of wins and losses. Take Josh Allen off of the BILLS and tell me how many wins we would have had in 2020. Also remember you do have to use some context as well. There is a big difference where the QB is a big part of the offense vs the QB who is just a game manager type who is supported by a great defense. So all situations are not created equal.

 

So being good enough to be considered the best player in the league and especially at QB position and playing poorly and being one and done AND you are a big reason why your team didn't win game isn't a bad thing. Give me a break. Imagine Josh Allen coming off the season that he did just to turn around and play like garbage against the COLTS AND the BILLS lost are you trying to tell me at that point though Josh Allen had a great regular season that some people wouldn't look at that as a failure and question if he can get it done.

 

***** Allen had a MVP type season played great against the COLTS AND made it to the AFC Championship game and if you go on twitter people still question about if he is the guy or he saying he only had one good year. Look at how people was talking about Lamar in the post season until he got the win this year. That buys him time not to always hear how he can't win a playoff game. Using your augment why would it matter if Lamar could win a playoff game if win and loses are team stats. You act like I said he  won MVP he should have made it to the Super Bowl. Come on my guy.

 

Name me a sport where if the best player in league gets knocked out in the 1st round AND plays poorly some people would not look at that in a favorable manner. Lamar gets all the credit when the Ravens win buy when they lose its ' Well wins/losses are team stats' Which one is it. 

 

Let me ask you a question. How many great years has Lamar had since he has come into the league. I have a point to prove so I'll wait for your response. Before you put words in my mouth I think Lamar is a great talent but when I hear people use a couple of stats to make there point that Lamar is better with no context that's where you lose me.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Protocal69

[Pabstblueribbon]

Greg Roman. 

 

Colin Kaepernick - Superbowl appearance 

Tyrod Taylor - Pro-bowl selection

Lamar Jackson - League MVP 

 

LJ is IMO undeniably the most athletic of the group, but they all fit the same mold that works out well in Roman's scheme. 

 

The problem with 1 dimensional qbs like that, once teams "figure them out", its all over. A lethal pocket passer who also has mobility, that can hit anywhere on the field like Rogers JA and Mahomes are much more desirable in the modern NFL. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The wink and the smile after beating the jets and giants in succession … 💯

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said:

Greg Roman. 

 

Colin Kaepernick - Superbowl appearance 

Tyrod Taylor - Pro-bowl selection

Lamar Jackson - League MVP 

 

LJ is IMO undeniably the most athletic of the group, but they all fit the same mold that works out well in Roman's scheme. 

 

The problem with 1 dimensional qbs like that, once teams "figure them out", its all over. A lethal pocket passer who also has mobility, that can hit anywhere on the field like Rogers JA and Mahomes are much more desirable in the modern NFL. 

 

I'll put it out there that if one QB can substantially improve his passing, there's really no reason another one can't. 

 

I thought Jackson took a step between 2019 and 2020 in some areas - for example, he went from 61.5 to 93.8 passer rating down the L side past 20 yds.  He was still very accurate across the field from 10-20 yds.  But his "money" passes under 10 yds took a hit, because defenses were keying on them and he was missing one of his favorite TE targets in Hayden Hurst.

 

There is a point that Jordan Palmer made that how easy it is for a QB to change his technique does depend upon how engrained it is from how long he's been doing it.  And from all reports Lamar Jackson and his mom have been heavily focused on having him play QB and nothing else, from a young age, with the same coaches working with him, so that does ratchet up the difficulty.

[JoPoy88]

36 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

You made the assumption that I said I questioned how did he win the MVP if he was one in done. The mere fact that I had to explain what I meant shows in that instance you and a few other were dense. Im not stupid. I didn't need be explained what criteria goes into voting for MVP so you did to me what you are trying to imply that I am doing to you. Crazy. You acting like Im saying that if someone like Derrick Henry won MVP that if the Titans went one and done I would look at Henry bad and that's not the case cause he is a running back. QB is just a little different.

 

So if wins and loss are on the team then why are QB win totals always mentioned when discussing QB's How many times have you heard Brady is 30-3 vs the BILLS. Rarely is it the Patriots are 30-3 vs the Bills. Its the same with Mahomes and for that matter Lamar. Yes in the totality WINS ARE TEAM stats (again I didn't need you to tell me that) BUT the QB is the by FAR the biggest contributor of wins and losses. Take Josh Allen off of the BILLS and tell me how many wins we would have had in 2020.  

 

So being good enough to be considered the best player in the league and especially at QB position and playing poorly and being one and done AND you are a big reason why your team didn't win game isn't a bad thing. Give me a break. Imagine Josh Allen coming off the season that he did just to turn around and play like garbage against the COLTS AND the BILLS lost are you trying to tell me at that point though Josh Allen had a great regular season that some people wouldn't look at that as a failure and question if he can get it done.

 

***** Allen had a MVP type season played great against the COLTS AND made it to the AFC Championship game and if you go on twitter people still question about if he is the guy or he saying he only had one good year. Look at how people was talking about Lamar in the post season until he got the win this year. That buys him time not to always hear how he can't win a playoff game. Using your augment why would it matter if Lamar could win a playoff game if win and loses are team stats. You act like I said he  won MVP he should have made it to the Super Bowl. Come on my guy.

 

Name me a sport where if the best player in league gets knocked out in the 1st round AND plays poorly some people would not look at that in a favorable manner. Lamar gets all the credit when the Ravens win buy when they lose its ' Well wins/losses are team stats' Which one is it. 

 

Let me ask you a question. How many great years has Lamar had since he has come into the league. I have a point to prove so I'll wait for your response. Before you put words in my mouth I think Lamar is a great talent but when I hear people use a couple of stats to make there point that Lamar is better with no context that's where you lose me.

Lamar’s had one great year and one good year. I don’t really count the rookie year. I don’t think he’s better than Allen - never said anything of the sort.

 

As for the rest of this, I still can’t reason why you’re so confused with earlier replies when your post linked MVP and playoff performance whether you meant to or not. It wasn’t worded well. Sorry you’re offended ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[Protocal69]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'll put it out there that if one QB can substantially improve his passing, there's really no reason another one can't. 

 

I thought Jackson took a step between 2019 and 2020 in some areas - for example, he went from 61.5 to 93.8 passer rating down the L side past 20 yds.  He was still very accurate across the field from 10-20 yds.  But his "money" passes under 10 yds took a hit, because defenses were keying on them and he was missing one of his favorite TE targets in Hayden Hurst.

Oh yeah the book is not written on none of these guys. I hope Lamar shows everybody what is capable of what he is doing. My biggest issue is people equate him winning MVP to him being a great passer. I also feel that the Ravens are what is really holding him back in the passing. The question I have is why

[JoPoy88]

5 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Oh yeah the book is not written on none of these guys. I hope Lamar shows everybody what is capable of what he is doing. My biggest issue is people equate him winning MVP to him being a great passer. I also feel that the Ravens are what is really holding him back in the passing. The question I have is why

Part of the answer is he’s had pretty terrible wideouts in Baltimore (albeit with a TE.) 

 

Another part of the answer is he can’t really throw outside the numbers that well. It’s a legit limitation of his that he may or may not improve. 
 

Who said “Lamar won MVP, ergo he’s a great passer?” 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

You guys are talking crazy. If you understand what I am saying is that he his regular season performances are not carrying over to the playoffs. MVP or Not.

 

Im not saying he SHOULDNT have won MVP.  That is like me saying how is someone homeless and he makes 200,000 a year. That not me saying that it impossible for that to be the case BUT what I am saying is that you SHOULDN'T be homeless making 200,00 a year, the same way I'm saying you shouldn't win the MVP AND be one in done in the playoffs AND play bad in the process.

 

DO I REALLY HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR SOME OF YOU ON HERE. SMH

 

Did you blow 200k and are now homeless?

 

1 hour ago, Pabstblueribbon said:

Greg Roman. 

 

Colin Kaepernick - Superbowl appearance 

Tyrod Taylor - Pro-bowl selection

Lamar Jackson - League MVP 

 

LJ is IMO undeniably the most athletic of the group, but they all fit the same mold that works out well in Roman's scheme. 

 

The problem with 1 dimensional qbs like that, once teams "figure them out", its all over. A lethal pocket passer who also has mobility, that can hit anywhere on the field like Rogers JA and Mahomes are much more desirable in the modern NFL. 

 

If I'm Baltimore I put Lamar in a spread offense and see what he can do this season before I pay him.  He could be a better version of Kyler Murray.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Part of the answer is he’s had pretty terrible wideouts in Baltimore (albeit with a TE.) 

 

Another part of the answer is he can’t really throw outside the numbers that well. It’s a legit limitation of his that he may or may not improve. 
 

Who said “Lamar won MVP, ergo he’s a great passer?” 

 

I dunno if anyone said "great passer" but "better QB than Allen because MVP" and because "winning team for 2 years" was said.  That latter kind of overlooks the fact that the Bills had a winning record in 2019, albeit 4 games less than the Ravens and the Ravens won the head-to-head, but the Ravens were the #1 scoring offense in 2019 while the Bills were #23; the Bills were the #2 scoring offense in 2020 while the Ravens slid to #7.

 

I didn't watch a lot of Ravens games, but those I watched in 2020 I saw Jackson hitting some throws I hadn't expected him to try, much less make, based on 2019.

 

I thought Marquise Brown is pretty good and Willie Snead's not bad, but yeah, in 2019 the Ravens got 1200 yds of receiving from 2 TE.  And yeah, at times in the playoff game the Bills basically dared him to pass.

[Malazan]

45 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Question: What millionaire discusses their tax avoidance strategy??

 

Many of them apparently. Antrel Rolle, Josh Martin, Drew Brees. Seems like an endless number of articles with specifics from named Athletes paying state income taxes who talk about it, but many of them probably don't understand what their accountants are doing. According to every article I've found is that players are paid as employees and their paychecks are cut directly to players and not incorporated entities on the player's behalf. 

 

The example used in this thread is EJ Manuel and the 'incorporation' around him was when he tried selling 'stock' in himself against 10% of his future earnings which may have been a creative way to accomplish this (if it had worked out) as he could have switched his income to the corporation and eventually 100% of his football earnings. 

 

I'm generally interested in the information you have. This is very intriguing to me as it seems to be a cleverly hidden secret. So it seems they're doing some really creative tricks to get paid as players and transferring that sum directly to corporations that aren't registered directly to themselves to avoid paying income tax from their game checks. However, they're accomplishing this transfer is a closely held secret and super effective (also, not able to be used by the regular league employees who don't make millions and also have to pay out of state income taxes).

 

It's also strange that players are claiming the state exemptions on income tax in other states while not having a taxable income themselves from their game salaries. So many loopholes in tax law that it's truly an impressive dance. 

 

This does seem to be a strategy for income outside of their salary such as advertising deals and the like, but I'm still struggling to find how their accomplishing this with their salary. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by jeremy2020

[Protocal69]

55 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Lamar’s had one great year and one good year. I don’t really count the rookie year. I don’t think he’s better than Allen - never said anything of the sort.

 

As for the rest of this, I still can’t reason why you’re so confused with earlier replies when your post linked MVP and playoff performance whether you meant to or not. It wasn’t worded well. Sorry you’re offended ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Oh its all good bro. We just talking though I can get a little abrasive when I'm trying to make a point. 

 

Regarding your answer I TOTALLY AGREE with your answer. The reason why I asked is because the narrative out there is that Lamar has had 3 GREAT seasons and Allen has one GREAT season with 2 terrible seasons.

 

They say that he has had 3 GREAT season because HE has made the playoffs every year when while thats true it does not tell the whole story and like you said his rookie year he gets credit for getting them there but none of the stats that he had. 

 

They don't mention that Allen only started 11 games in 2018. Allen played good in 2019 and the team made the playoffs but it is still considered that Allen in 2019 was terrible

 

So in people minds Lamar is the reason the Ravens made the playoffs but like you stated Wins are teams stats. So he gets credit for getting the team to the playoffs though his overall play was not good he should get the blame if the team doesn't get the win. Thats what I meant by the MVP comparison. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Protocal69

[Protocal69]

49 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Part of the answer is he’s had pretty terrible wideouts in Baltimore (albeit with a TE.) 

 

Another part of the answer is he can’t really throw outside the numbers that well. It’s a legit limitation of his that he may or may not improve. 
 

Who said “Lamar won MVP, ergo he’s a great passer?” 

Ravens fans and supporters ALL make the argument that Lamar is a great passer because he won MVP, threw for 36 Tds and has a higher QBR. While that is true it really doesn't tell the whole story.

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Ravens fans and supporters ALL make the argument that Lamar is a great passer because he won MVP, threw for 36 Tds and has a higher QBR. While that is true it really doesn't tell the whole story.

Yeah Lamar is not in that elite passer tier I’d put players like Allen, Rodgers and Mahomes. Ravens’ fans can believe what they want I’ve seen enough of LJ to know he has some pretty obvious limitations. 
 

but we’ll see. He could improve and move into that top tier. He’s going to end up getting paid like he’s in that tier either way.

[Perk71]

11 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

Ya think?

Yep. I was hoping they were.  Check the tape.

 

Go Bills!!

[Protocal69]

9 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Yeah Lamar is not in that elite passer tier I’d put players like Allen, Rodgers and Mahomes. Ravens’ fans can believe what they want I’ve seen enough of LJ to know he has some pretty obvious limitations. 
 

but we’ll see. He could improve and move into that top tier. He’s going to end up getting paid like he’s in that tier either way.

I agree. The receivers they added should help but is up the Ravens to call the plays and Lamar to execute the pass when they present themselves 

[sonyab1974]

GO JOSH! GO BILLS!!!!!

[Chandler#81]

[Chandler#81]

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Yeah Lamar is not in that elite passer tier I’d put players like Allen, Rodgers and Mahomes. Ravens’ fans can believe what they want I’ve seen enough of LJ to know he has some pretty obvious limitations.

 

The Bills were pretty obviously selling out the passing game to defend Lamar in 2019 and 2020 when they played him

And the W in 2019 wasn't because that mode of defense failed, it hinged on a handful of other plays such as Judon's strip sack of Allen on the Buff 26 yd line and a couple other plays.