SydneyBillsFan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 14 hours ago, Perk71 said: It definitely was the right Josh they drafted. Ya think?
wjag Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 This might be the nicest Nick has been to Josh when talking about him. I know it may not be a popular opinion on here, but I like Nick Wright. Sure he is a Chief's fan and fanboy of MyMahommy. But watching him speak about Josh over the last year, he is grudgingly coming around. And maybe that is just the best testament of Josh Allen. Slowly, surely, inevitably, he is winning over his toughest critcs. He is the least egocentric NFL player I can remember. He not only elevates his play and his teammates, but he is a great interview. He never gives you a cringe moment. His charisma smarms the interviewers, fans and critics alike. I have so many non-Bills fans, being an expat, that tell me they love watching the Bills and Josh Allen now. There is something about his story, his withering criticisms he endured by the media, and his humbling worth ethic that just draws you in. And we get to enjoy the ride for the next 8 years. 1
wjag Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, Utah John said: Browns fans are right to be worried about what Allen's contract means for their team. I don't think Mayfield is anywhere near as good as Allen, but he's going to get paid as if he is. The Browns have a lot more players who think they're deserving of rich-for-life contracts than the Bills do, and there just won't be enough cap space available for the Browns to hold on to all their talent. I polled one of my friends who is a staunch Brownie. He says what just about everyone in the media was saying yesterday. Allen 43, Mayfield 40. He knows his team, salaries and structures, like many on here do with the Bills. He thinks that's what the Browns can afford. The more interesting topic is LJ8. I live in the Baltimore region, so I am surrounded by purple. Baltimore can probably go north of 43 as they have what feels like manageable contracts and projected contracts. LT Stanley got paid last year. After that, it's hard to think of anyone breaking or going to break the Baltimore bank accept maybe the secondary guys like Humphreys. The intriguing question about LJ8 is whether they can afford to go north of 43 and continue to expose him to hits on running plays. I'm not here to argue LJ8's QBing ability. I would be concerned as an owner if I have to give him 151+M guaranteed and then have him get hurt because the style of play that fits his skill set is atypical and risky to long term tenure in the league. That guaranteed money could hamper your team for years to come. Should make for some interesting short term deliberations and long term vision of how LJ8's career unfolds. Of course the same argument has been proferred by various talking heads yesterday that JA17 also exposes himself to a lot of punishment by his style of play. Can you take the JA17 stiff arm of Aaron Donald out of his game? Should you now that you have locked him up for 8 years?
Chandler#81 Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 10 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: That guy is so off - this signing actually saves the Bills significant CAP space next year - a little more up front this year and in 2023 with the new TV deal. Perfectly done by Beane. Start and end that he’s a Jets fan. No on need look further than ‘Geenie’ to know how much it sucks to have to be a fan of that team, where one is forced to view them through rose colored glasses or their jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge. 49 minutes ago, wjag said: This might be the nicest Nick has been to Josh when talking about him. I know it may not be a popular opinion on here, but I like Nick Wright. Sure he is a Chief's fan and fanboy of MyMahommy. But watching him speak about Josh over the last year, he is grudgingly coming around. And maybe that is just the best testament of Josh Allen. Slowly, surely, inevitably, he is winning over his toughest critcs. He is the least egocentric NFL player I can remember. He not only elevates his play and his teammates, but he is a great interview. He never gives you a cringe moment. His charisma smarms the interviewers, fans and critics alike. I have so many non-Bills fans, being an expat, that tell me they love watching the Bills and Josh Allen now. There is something about his story, his withering criticisms he endured by the media, and his humbling worth ethic that just draws you in. And we get to enjoy the ride for the next 8 years. Great post. side note, I hate Knick Wrong. 1
The Wiz Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) McBeane discuss the extension. Interesting note. I'm not sure if he was referring to other contracts from around the league for QBs or the contract discussions they were having with Allen's agent but Beane said that the contract was double in length than most and had a bunch of fine tuning to get it done (starts around 14:20 when he was in negotiations). Edited August 7, 2021 by The Wiz 1
RobbRiddick Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, wjag said: This might be the nicest Nick has been to Josh when talking about him. I know it may not be a popular opinion on here, but I like Nick Wright. Sure he is a Chief's fan and fanboy of MyMahommy. But watching him speak about Josh over the last year, he is grudgingly coming around. And maybe that is just the best testament of Josh Allen. Slowly, surely, inevitably, he is winning over his toughest critcs. He is the least egocentric NFL player I can remember. He not only elevates his play and his teammates, but he is a great interview. He never gives you a cringe moment. His charisma smarms the interviewers, fans and critics alike. I have so many non-Bills fans, being an expat, that tell me they love watching the Bills and Josh Allen now. There is something about his story, his withering criticisms he endured by the media, and his humbling worth ethic that just draws you in. And we get to enjoy the ride for the next 8 years. He makes a nice error in this clip, saying Josh has only been to the playoffs once.
wjag Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 Just now, RobbRiddick said: He makes a nice error in this clip, saying Josh has only been to the playoffs once. Yeah I caught that. Also gives Lamar credit for 2.5 good years and Josh only one, when it could be argued 1.5ish..
Rochesterfan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 7 hours ago, beerme1 said: I'm lovin it. Yet, I wonder what would have happened if Doug Whaley was our GM during this time? Scary thought lol Cheers Beane and Josh! Thank You both! I will say the biggest difference I have heard was listening to Mike (the founder of SPOTRAC) on WGR and him talking about Beane. First he talked about when this contract came down - it was compared initially to Buffalo’s previously biggest contract - Dareus. He talked about what a terrible contract that was - not in the money as much as how it was written - he knew that the contract was going to cause issues. Whaley blew that extension - the money was to much, but there were no protections for the team - the agent fleeced the GM and he knew almost immediately that was going to turn out bad. Compare that to Beane - who he said has come in below on most of his signing in the last 2 years - the Tre’ White and Dawkins deals were brilliant and now the Josh deal - providing flexibility, outs for both the player and the team, just well written and beautifully thought out. They talked about the quote that Beane is running a “masterclass” in being a GM. My guess is if Whaley was GM - we are still mired in mediocrity because he never had a vision or a plan - things just seemed to happen. Beane started thinking about this process and signing 3 years ago and even with mistakes along the way - his (and Sean’s) vision is shining through. 3 1
BillnutinHouston Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 Has anyone seen video of Josh actually signing? Haven't seen anything available yet except a photo.
SoCal Deek Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 What I find interesting is all of the business that goes on behind the scenes that all the pundits and Internet GMs are completely unaware of. Josh’s new deal is a great example. While everyone is yapping there is actual negotiating going on at OBD. Now, translate the same to the dozens of pages about a new stadium. The same is going on behind the scenes there. While it’s fun to speculate and opine, always remember there’s real serious people who do all of this for a living.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 25 minutes ago, wjag said: Yeah I caught that. Also gives Lamar credit for 2.5 good years and Josh only one, when it could be argued 1.5ish.. Giving Lamar credit for 2.5 good years is being generous too. Nothing special at all about Lamar's rookie year. In fact, Allen was by far the better running QB of the two in their rookie seasons. 1
Sharky7337 Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, wjag said: This might be the nicest Nick has been to Josh when talking about him. I know it may not be a popular opinion on here, but I like Nick Wright. Sure he is a Chief's fan and fanboy of MyMahommy. But watching him speak about Josh over the last year, he is grudgingly coming around. And maybe that is just the best testament of Josh Allen. Slowly, surely, inevitably, he is winning over his toughest critcs. He is the least egocentric NFL player I can remember. He not only elevates his play and his teammates, but he is a great interview. He never gives you a cringe moment. His charisma smarms the interviewers, fans and critics alike. I have so many non-Bills fans, being an expat, that tell me they love watching the Bills and Josh Allen now. There is something about his story, his withering criticisms he endured by the media, and his humbling worth ethic that just draws you in. And we get to enjoy the ride for the next 8 years. Too bad he doesn't even know his facts that Josh allen made the playoffs twice and not once(with josh) Edited August 7, 2021 by Sharky7337
YoloinOhio Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 I’m sure the contract breakdown is already buried in here from last night, but I saw a tweet that the Bills can get out of the deal in 2 years unscathed. Is that accurate?
Rochesterfan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m sure the contract breakdown is already buried in here from last night, but I saw a tweet that the Bills can get out of the deal in 2 years unscathed. Is that accurate? I don’t think unscathed, but the huge option bonus (42 million) hits in 2 years - so there is an out, but it still costs a bunch with other money. The SPOTRAC guys were saying it was a well written contract - there are a couple of outs for both the team and the player and spots to extend further and create savings when it goes well. There are protections also for both the team and the player for injury. It is a massive contract, but seemed fair and smart. 2 1
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m sure the contract breakdown is already buried in here from last night, but I saw a tweet that the Bills can get out of the deal in 2 years unscathed. Is that accurate? Completely untrue. Not sure where Geary was getting that. It's a great deal, but that element is not true. 1
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 42 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: Has anyone seen video of Josh actually signing? Haven't seen anything available yet except a photo. There is a video on Instagram which seems to be just after signing with a shoutout to Bills Mafia. It’s under the Buffalo Bills IG account not Josh’s himself. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Giving Lamar credit for 2.5 good years is being generous too. Nothing special at all about Lamar's rookie year. In fact, Allen was by far the better running QB of the two in their rookie seasons. This. The Ravens playoff game Lamar's rookie year was embarassing. It was difficult to watch. 14 of 29 passes, 48% completion. 54 yds rushing.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 7, 2021 Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m sure the contract breakdown is already buried in here from last night, but I saw a tweet that the Bills can get out of the deal in 2 years unscathed. Is that accurate? No, absolutely not. Among other things, it's got $150 million fully guaranteed at signing. Where I think Geary may be confused is that there's a large option bonus due in 2022 ($42.4M). The word "Option" is confusing in this context, because it is, in fact, fully guaranteed at signing. The Bills structured Tre White's contract in a similar way. It's designed to distribute a large signing bonus in an asymmetric pattern. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/josh-allen-25102/ (PS found the link with the best explanation of the cascading guarantees, below) 1
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