B-Man Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 No, Mr. President, we won’t ‘move on’ from your Afghanistan disaster. Of course, Joe’s already forgotten breakfast. https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/no-mr-president-we-wont-move-on-from-your-afghan-disaster/
snafu Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Try looking at a physical map rather than a political map. I know what a physical map looks like. Poland and Belarus are between Germany and Russia. Maybe you'd have been right prior to 1989.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: My expectation is China will fare no better than Russia or America here. The Chinese will "make nice" at the start with all kinds of investments and incentives which the Afghans will accept. Then they'll seek to exploit the resources of the country. But won't stop there. They'll embark on a mission to colonize the country similar to what they're doing, with few paying attention to what's happening, in parts of Africa. Moving 100's of thousands, millions of Chinese citizens into the country while building segregated and gated Chinese cities. Pushing the native inhabitants out of the picture. Eventually the locals, the Taliban, and the war lords will get sick of the Chinese and work to expel them. Give it a couple years. And to top it off I wouldn't be at all surprised if at some point the US intelligence services and the military through discreet and secret arrangements becomes a silent "partner" with the Taliban when it comes time to take it to China here. Part of the idea is that before taking on China directly the US will need to engage in a few proxy wars to assess and understand their capabilities in live fire settings and this might be one of those opportunities. As the US through its actions has already provided that recon info to China. Interesting analysis and history agrees with the outcome you project.. there is another way it may work out. China does capitalism outside its borders better than any country in the world. Theyd likely have no compunction about enriching the Taliban leadership in exchange for their resources. They can march in their own labor to cheaply across the border extract the resources without the having to struggle with the morality of the brutal regime all in the name of FDI. the same model has served them well in Africa.
SectionC3 Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, snafu said: I know what a physical map looks like. Poland and Belarus are between Germany and Russia. Maybe you'd have been right prior to 1989. Based on that answer, you obviously don’t know what a physical map looks like. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Interesting analysis and history agrees with the outcome you project.. there is another way it may work out. China does capitalism outside its borders better than any country in the world. Theyd likely have no compunction about enriching the Taliban leadership in exchange for their resources. They can march in their own labor to cheaply across the border extract the resources without the having to struggle with the morality of the brutal regime all in the name of FDI. the same model has served them well in Africa. Good points. I need to remember to never under-estimate the value of bribe-able and corrupt third world political leadership (or maybe political leadership in general?). 1
SoCal Deek Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 3 hours ago, snafu said: I know what a physical map looks like. Poland and Belarus are between Germany and Russia. Maybe you'd have been right prior to 1989. You guys realize we're talking about airbases...right? We are not marching on foot into Russia anytime soon. This isn't a game of Risk! And as the most recent, "Longest War in US History" proved we can fight a war pretty darn quickly even if we DO NOT have a base in the region at the time war breaks out. IMHO, the US should seriously consider closing the vast majority of these international outposts which are all left over from eras, and wars, long gone by. 1
snafu Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You guys realize we're talking about airbases...right? We are not marching on foot into Russia anytime soon. This isn't a game of Risk! And as the most recent, "Longest War in US History" proved we can fight a war pretty darn quickly even if we DO NOT have a base in the region at the time war breaks out. IMHO, the US should seriously consider closing the vast majority of these international outposts which are all left over from eras, and wars, long gone by. In Europe, they worry about tanks rolling through just as much as anything else. Ask Poland if they want us to leave. And if we've got an airbase in Germany (or anywhere else) then we don't need to ask a bunch of other countries for permission to fly over their airspace.
SoCal Deek Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, snafu said: In Europe, they worry about tanks rolling through just as much as anything else. Ask Poland if they want us to leave. And if we've got an airbase in Germany (or anywhere else) then we don't need to ask a bunch of other countries for permission to fly over their airspace. Huh? So, we need to maintain an airbase in Germany because the people in Poland want us to have one there? Fantastic! Back to where we started, I see a whole lot more justification for keeping a base in Afghanistan then the reasons you're citing dating back almost a century.
snafu Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Huh? So, we need to maintain an airbase in Germany because the people in Poland want us to have one there? Fantastic! Back to where we started, I see a whole lot more justification for keeping a base in Afghanistan then the reasons you're citing dating back almost a century. I agree that having some presence in Afghanistan would have been nice. And the European ones are also NATO-affiliated. So the "dating back to a century" is based on one of our oldest treaties, and it makes things a helluva lot easier when we're entangled in the mideast and central Asia. There's plenty of justification for keeping those intact.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Shocking Texts Reveal Army Major Knew Americans Waving Passports Were Abandoned at Kabul Airport https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2021/09/02/shocking-texts-reveal-army-major-knew-americans-waving-passports-were-abandoned-at-kabul-airport-n436747 Is it really all that shocking?
SectionC3 Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: You guys realize we're talking about airbases...right? We are not marching on foot into Russia anytime soon. This isn't a game of Risk! And as the most recent, "Longest War in US History" proved we can fight a war pretty darn quickly even if we DO NOT have a base in the region at the time war breaks out. IMHO, the US should seriously consider closing the vast majority of these international outposts which are all left over from eras, and wars, long gone by. To a point, yes. But there is value in having a presence in Germany. It’s part of what keeps the Russians from meddling in eastern NATO states. There’s also value to keeping naval bases in places like Cuba and Japan and Bahrain. Look at what’s going on in the South China Sea, for example.
SoCal Deek Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: To a point, yes. But there is value in having a presence in Germany. It’s part of what keeps the Russians from meddling in eastern NATO states. There’s also value to keeping naval bases in places like Cuba and Japan and Bahrain. Look at what’s going on in the South China Sea, for example. We could debate this topic forever, but in the 21st Century I see less and less 'value' to any of this anymore. A strategic and steady draw down is long overdue. Our middle east experience has proven that we can ramp back up at a moments notice.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: We could debate this topic forever, but in the 21st Century I see less and less 'value' to any of this anymore. A strategic and steady draw down is long overdue. Our middle east experience has proven that we can ramp back up at a moments notice. Yeah, we’re not the world super power anymore. I think a big part of it is if we provide the military protection for our allies they have less of their own, making it lower risk they flip or abandon their alliances and act against us. That was always my understanding.
Doc Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 23 hours ago, SectionC3 said: You’re having quite a day. Talking about banging 17 year olds and goat porn in one 24 hour period. Pretty sick if you ask me, but I guess that’s one of the side effects of excessive HCQ consumption. No one asked you Gibbons. It would have been a complete waste of time. 9 hours ago, SectionC3 said: I blame @doc. If he had told these guys about HCQ and zinc and ZPACS and magic loogies then they would have been safe. Trump and others tried. Your masters lied about it and simps like you believed/were complicit with them. Just because you wanted people to die and Trump to be voted out of office. Talk about the sickest thing of all. Meanwhile Joey's reign of error began with the vaccine already being available and over 200K have died since.
SoCal Deek Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Yeah, we’re not the world super power anymore. I think a big part of it is if we provide the military protection for our allies they have less of their own, making it lower risk they flip or abandon their alliances and act against us. That was always my understanding. I'd disagree there. We are still a super power. My point is that we have just proven that we can be far more nimble in our military responses. The world is much smaller now and thinks move much faster. We had virtually no footprint at all in Iraq and Afghanistan before 9/11 and we ramped up in a heart beat. As Obama said...."Yes We Can!"
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 3, 2021 Posted September 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I'd disagree there. We are still a super power. My point is that we have just proven that we can be far more nimble in our military responses. The world is much smaller now and thinks move much faster. We had virtually no footprint at all in Iraq and Afghanistan before 9/11 and we ramped up in a heart beat. As Obama said...."Yes We Can!" Yeah I don’t think an arbitrary presence ramp is why we have like 200000 service members on 170 bases in 50 countries, I think it’s more about keeping allies than reacting to enemies. That’s the point.
Doc Posted September 3, 2021 Posted September 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, BillStime said: Thank you Trump voters Ah yes, Trump intentionally "broke" it in anticipation of Joey ***** up the withdrawal that hadn't even been decided on at that time. Meanwhile thousands more non-SIV Afghans managed to board planes and thousands of actual US citizens were left behind. 1
SectionC3 Posted September 3, 2021 Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: No one asked you Gibbons. It would have been a complete waste of time. Trump and others tried. Your masters lied about it and simps like you believed/were complicit with them. Just because you wanted people to die and Trump to be voted out of office. Talk about the sickest thing of all. Meanwhile Joey's reign of error began with the vaccine already being available and over 200K have died since. Doubling down on the stupid, I see. Next thing you know, “Doc” is going to be running an Ivermectin script farm.
Recommended Posts