oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, LeviF said: And you seem to think America is only 80 years old. And that the world started around the same time. No I understand America. America stands for democracy, stands for justice, stands for freedom. America stands for the oppressed, for human rights. America recognizes its role as a superpower and has responsibilities to lead in the world. Americans are not afraid of recognizing that we are an imperfect union, and despite our standing as a model to follow we can always do better. America is not afraid to allow its citizens to exert their rights as outlined in your Constitution. Americans when faced with a crisis band together. All of these are America, except that many of these have changed in the past 5 years. And it’s easy to see why.
LeviF Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: No I understand America. America stands for democracy, stands for justice, stands for freedom. America stands for the oppressed, for human rights. America recognizes its role as a superpower and has responsibilities to lead in the world. Americans are not afraid of recognizing that we are an imperfect union, and despite our standing as a model to follow we can always do better. America is not afraid to allow its citizens to exert their rights as outlined in your Constitution. Americans when faced with a crisis band together. All of these are America, except that many of these have changed in the past 5 years. And it’s easy to see why. I didn’t read past the second sentence. Our purpose in Afghanistan was never to spread justice or whatever. It was to spread neoliberal government and protect the heroin supply. Go ahead, find an Afghanistan vet and ask him if he knew anyone who guarded poppies. Edited August 14, 2021 by LeviF 1
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: I didn’t read past the second sentence. Our purpose in Afghanistan was never to spread justice or whatever. It was to spread neoliberal government and protect the heroin supply. Go ahead, find an Afghanistan vet and ask him if he knew anyone who guarded poppies. You didn’t read it because you’re anti-America. Edited August 14, 2021 by oldmanfan
LeviF Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You didn’t read it because you’re anti-America. No, I’m America first. And sending your grandchildren to get sniped and blown up by goat*****ing mountain men ain’t it. Twenty years, old man. Soon the airport in Kabul will fall and NATO will be scrambling to come up with little known synonyms for surrender. And somewhere along the way you forgot the lessons you should have learned fifty years ago during the fall of another third world shithole city. 1
3rdnlng Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 I was cruising by with this link in my back pocket and realized what a disservice I'd be doing if I didn't at least stop by and post something for the good of all of the Biden admirers here.
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 44 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: And who wanted to pull out last term? Biden is wrong on this issue. So was Trump. So were Obama and Bush. The Taliban should have been crushed way back in 2001-2002. As far as who to vote for, you vote based on overall policies candidates espouse, not single issues. But because you are so enamored with attaching your lips to Trump’s genitalia you don’t get that either. Oh stop it. You’re truly on a roll today. You OK? Lots of anger spewing from your posts lately. It’s not the Old Man I’ve been accustomed to.
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: They do not have to be mutually exclusive. That’s the problem with the simple minded folks that populate this part of the board; you are incapable of cogent thought. Who said they have to be mutually exclusive? It wasn’t my point that it’s one or the other. And you say I’m incapable of cogent thought. 🤦🏻♂️ 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Folks like you really have no understanding of what America really is. Tell us old man. What is America…..really??
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: No I understand America. America stands for democracy, stands for justice, stands for freedom. America stands for the oppressed, for human rights. America recognizes its role as a superpower and has responsibilities to lead in the world. Americans are not afraid of recognizing that we are an imperfect union, and despite our standing as a model to follow we can always do better. America is not afraid to allow its citizens to exert their rights as outlined in your Constitution. Americans when faced with a crisis band together. All of these are America, except that many of these have changed in the past 5 years. And it’s easy to see why. We stand for all those things and do you feel we are supposed to impose all those ideals on the rest of the world at the point of a spear?
TSOL Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 The Taliban are in the process, right now, of conquering a large part of the middle east. They've taken alot more than just Afghanistan, it's just that's the only thing we hear about in America. They've taken half of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, and they have their sights on Saudi Arabia and UAE. Their goal is to control the resources (oil). America really effed it all up by killing Sadam Hussain because he balanced out the middle east, he prevented the Taliban from running amok which they are now doing. Talk to a middle easterner and you will gain a whole new perspective on what is going on there. They are probably on par with the Nazis as far as genocide and war at this point, but no one wants to go over to those god forsaken deserts to fight and stop them
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh stop it. You’re truly on a roll today. You OK? Lots of anger spewing from your posts lately. It’s not the Old Man I’ve been accustomed to. I’m tired of reading the fake patriotism on this board and it’s coming out today. I apologize to you because we tend to agree a lot, but you got the brunt of my frustrations. I do not apologize to some others here. 20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: We stand for all those things and do you feel we are supposed to impose all those ideals on the rest of the world at the point of a spear? We should model these for the rest of the world. And what are we doing now? Taking a health crisis and making it a political football. Threatening our own democracy by threatening the right to vote. It’s disgraceful. And when the Taliban takes over and starts slaughtering people, you’re damn right we should go in and stop it. We should have years ago.
SCBills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) How can anyone actually support this Administration anymore? You can be a Democrat and admit this admin is a disaster. Even with media cover and a tribally-loyal public, Biden is beginning to fall below 50% in polling. Biden didn’t need to follow Trump’s lead and pull out of Afghanistan. But he should have, and did. Therefore, this is on him. He gets credit for pulling out and he gets blame for what’s happening now. His plan has been about as bad as it gets, and has lead to one of the more embarrassing foreign policy moments that we’ve ever had. Don’t invoke Trump in this, Trump isn’t President. We have the worst inflation in decades, a southern border that’s falling apart, more divided than ever, high crime rates, parents revolting at schools teaching Biden-endorsed CRT, no plan for Covid, bombing Africa for some reason, and Afghanistan is an abject disaster. Has this garbage administration made anything better? Edited August 14, 2021 by SCBills
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I’m tired of reading the fake patriotism on this board and it’s coming out today. I apologize to you because we tend to agree a lot, but you got the brunt of my frustrations. I do not apologize to some others here. We should model these for the rest of the world. And what are we doing now? Taking a health crisis and making it a political football. Threatening our own democracy by threatening the right to vote. It’s disgraceful. And when the Taliban takes over and starts slaughtering people, you’re damn right we should go in and stop it. We should have years ago. So how do you suggest we operationally and tactically eliminate forever the Taliban.
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So how do you suggest we operationally and tactically eliminate forever the Taliban. I already told you. Get our allies together and go in with massive, overwhelming force. Put hundreds of thousands of troops there and keep them there until the threat is eradicated.
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I already told you. Get our allies together and go in with massive, overwhelming force. Put hundreds of thousands of troops there and keep them there until the threat is eradicated. I see. And what will be the cost of this adventure and wouldn’t those dollars be better used on OUR problems? Why so concerned about the Afghanis? Does the Taliban pose a threat to us?
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, SCBills said: How can anyone actually support this Administration anymore? You can be a Democrat and admit this admin is a disaster. Even with media cover and a tribally-loyal public, Biden is beginning to fall below 50% in polling. Biden didn’t need to follow Trump’s lead and pull out of Afghanistan. But he should have, and did. Therefore, this is on him. He gets credit for pulling out and he gets blame for what’s happening now. His plan has been about as bad as it gets, and has lead to one of the more embarrassing foreign policy moments that we’ve ever had. Don’t invoke Trump in this, Trump isn’t President. We have the worst inflation in decades, a southern border that’s falling apart, more divided than ever, high crime rates, parents revolting at schools teaching Biden-endorsed CRT, no plan for Covid, bombing Africa for some reason, and Afghanistan is an abject disaster. Has this garbage administration made anything better? Let’s take a few of these. Biden is wrong on Afghanistan, no question. The border is no better or worse because we refuse to do what’s needed, arrest those who employ undocumented immigrants and deal with the countries and their drug cartels and such that force people to flee for their lives to try and get here. Crime rates are high because mayors and cities refuse to let police do what they need to do, because police refuse to weed out the bad apples that sew so much distrust, and because pastors and other inner city leaders refuse to guide the youth correctly. The teaching CRT thing is abject nonsense framed up by Trumpists looking for a bizarre issue; secondary schools do not teach CRT and parents are shamefully using their own kids as political pawns. The current administration has a great plan for Covid: they are called vaccines but again the Trumpists and other morons (and that includes minority groups in the inner cities) refuse to listen to reason and science and instead put up false boogeymen. And I haven’t followed the Africa thing.
TSOL Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I already told you. Get our allies together and go in with massive, overwhelming force. Put hundreds of thousands of troops there and keep them there until the threat is eradicated. We would lose, badly
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I see. And what will be the cost of this adventure and wouldn’t those dollars be better used on OUR problems? Why so concerned about the Afghanis? Does the Taliban pose a threat to us? Yes they do. And even if they didn’t pose an immediate threat, America is supposed to stand against threats to humanity. Just now, TSOL said: We would lose, badly Nope. Hundreds of thousands of troops. Until the job is done. Only reason we’d lose is if we give in to folks like you that want to turn America into a weakling.
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Yes they do. And even if they didn’t pose an immediate threat, America is supposed to stand against threats to humanity. We are? Ok then. Based on that we need to get to work. When to nukes fly against the CCP.
Commsvet11 Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I already told you. Get our allies together and go in with massive, overwhelming force. Put hundreds of thousands of troops there and keep them there until the threat is eradicated. That won’t work. They will just wait until the troops pull out. There is no eradication. That’s the reality, but for some reason you think American soldiers are expendable for your fantasyland.
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: We are? Ok then. Based on that we need to get to work. When to nukes fly against the CCP. You negotiate first with the CCP. You can’t negotiate with the Taliban because you cannot negotiate with irrational zealots that want to destroy you. You destroy them. 1 minute ago, Commsvet11 said: That won’t work. They will just wait until the troops pull out. There is no eradication. That’s the reality, but for some reason you think American soldiers are expendable for your fantasyland. No I have faith in our military. They are the finest fighting force the world has ever seen.
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