Afghanistan

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Years ago I took over a terrible project from another manager.  After assessing the complete disaster I was persuaded by my manager and the project's business sponsor to push through with the original plan rather than pursue some other courses of action I proposed to them would give us a better chance of success.  But they talked me out of it while making it clear that switching approaches at this point would be bad optics.  So we proceeded as planned and ultimately the project failed miserably and was cancelled.  I took "full responsibility" for the failure but when it came time to cut staff in the organization I still got fired. 

 

So Biden taking responsibility is not really important in my eyes because the results are what matters and the results of his decision to go ahead with this plan no matter the source of the plan is a failure of Biblical proportions.  Also, from my perspective he threw a lot of others under the bus on his way to "full responsibility".  My suspicion is he lasts maybe a couple more months as his incompetence on full display for the entire world has likely angered the Gods of the establishment/deep state.  So watch for signs of VP Harris warming up in the Bull Pen.

No he’ll be supported in this because the majority of Americans wanted out of Afghanistan.  He’ll survive the reprehensible botching of the withdrawal with time.

 

Bottom line is this:  Americans want our country to be weak.  You have the liberal weaklings who have always wanted that, and the supposed conservative who like to talk tough but pee their pants when push comes to shove.

[LeviF]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No he’ll be supported in this because the majority of Americans wanted out of Afghanistan.  He’ll survive the reprehensible botching of the withdrawal with time.

 

Bottom line is this:  Americans want our country to be weak.  You have the liberal weaklings who have always wanted that, and the supposed conservative who like to talk tough but pee their pants when push comes to shove.

 

At what point is giving up on failed "nation building" no longer weakness to you?  Apparently it's not fifty years, so what's the timeline there?  Or is it a body count?

 

How about we secure and lock down our borders, evict the foreigners on our soil already, and then start figuring out how we can help the world?  What's that expression, something about getting your own house in order?

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

Trump

 

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Look guys!!  Jan Brady!  

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No he’ll be supported in this because the majority of Americans wanted out of Afghanistan.  He’ll survive the reprehensible botching of the withdrawal with time.

 

Bottom line is this:  Americans want our country to be weak.  You have the liberal weaklings who have always wanted that, and the supposed conservative who like to talk tough but pee their pants when push comes to shove.

Maybe.  But going forward when some US diplomat says "trust us" to a foreign leader being asked to stick their neck out and take on some risks what will they be thinking?   As the Empire's power and wealth is fundamentally based on a complex web of protection rackets, demonstrating incompetence in holding up our end of the bargain is going to have some consequences. 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

At what point is giving up on failed "nation building" no longer weakness to you?  Apparently it's not fifty years, so what's the timeline there?  Or is it a body count?

 

How about we secure and lock down our borders, evict the foreigners on our soil already, and then start figuring out how we can help the world?  What's that expression, something about getting your own house in order?

We can do both.  Why do you want our country to be so weak?

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Maybe.  But going forward when some US diplomat says "trust us" to a foreign leader being asked to stick their neck out and take on some risks what will they be thinking?   As the Empire's power and wealth is fundamentally based on a complex web of protection rackets, demonstrating incompetence in holding up our end of the bargain is going to have some consequences. 

I agree.  And just because of the debacle of the last 2 days but the last 20 years.

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

We can do both.  Why do you want our country to be so weak?

 

Except we aren't.  We're engaging in nation building, which clearly our military is not good at, and leaving the door wide open at the same time.  DHS budget is being gutted next fiscal year.  

 

Your strawman bull#### doesn't fly here, dude. Our country IS weak because of failed foreign policy and embarrassment on a global scale.  Becoming STRONG again means setting this ***** back on track, not doubling down on failure.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

Plus: Biden’s Disgrace:.

 

“Remember when the press spent an entire week in a lather about President Trump’s lies about the size of his inauguration crowd? How should we react to far more consequential lies, lies that result in the mass rape of little girls and the mass torture and beheadings of men? How many will point out that Biden’s vow to restore America’s international reputation is in tatters, not even seven months into his administration?”

 

 

Plus: “Top military advisers were pleading with Biden to understand that just a minimal presence — say, 3,000 troops in Afghanistan — would go a long way toward maintaining a fragile peace. Biden rejected this out of hand: ‘There would be no conditions put on the withdrawal, Mr. Biden told the men,’ the New York Times reported. . . . Referring, apparently, to the Fall of Saigon, Austin’s warning to the president that, ‘We’ve seen this movie before,’ fell on Biden’s deaf ears.”

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/bidens-disgrace/

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Except we aren't.  We're engaging in nation building, which clearly our military is not good at, and leaving the door wide open at the same time.  DHS budget is being gutted next fiscal year.  

 

Your strawman bull#### doesn't fly here, dude. Our country IS weak because of failed foreign policy and embarrassment on a global scale.  Becoming STRONG again means setting this ***** back on track, not doubling down on failure.

Not nation building.  Destroying our enemy. That is strength.  You want weakness.

[LeviF]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not nation building.  Destroying our enemy. That is strength.  You want weakness.

 

We tried that and lost.  Now what?  What is strength in the face of defeat, exactly? 

 

It's an unwinnable war.  We could turn half of Afghanistan to glass and it wouldn't make one mote of difference.  The taliban played a 20 year waiting game.  They'd play it for 20 more, and 20 more after that if they had to.

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

We tried that and lost.  Now what?  What is strength in the face of defeat, exactly? 

 

It's an unwinnable war.  We could turn half of Afghanistan to glass and it wouldn't make one mote of difference.  The taliban played a 20 year waiting game.  They'd play it for 20 more, and 20 more after that if they had to.

We didn’t try.  We cut and ran.  The Taliban wants to destroy us.  It wants to destroy everyone who does not buy into their attempt to covert the world.

 

Evil must be eradicated.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I try my best not to underestimate Joe’s ability to f*** things up but his talent is boundless.

 

 

[snafu]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

You may have missed my sarcasm.

 

I did.  I thought I heard a whooshing sound.

 

[snafu]

51 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not nation building.  Destroying our enemy. That is strength.  You want weakness.

 

The "mission" was never to destroy the Taliban.

And when the Taliban was at their lowest, they fled to Pakistan.  Did you want to invade Pakistan?

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

We can do both.  

 

 

Have you not been paying attention?  Obviously we can't.  

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Not nation building.  Destroying our enemy. That is strength.  You want weakness.

 

Is the Taliban truly OUR enemy? 

[Chef Jim]

39 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I try my best not to underestimate Joe’s ability to f*** things up but his talent is boundless.

 

 

 

This is the one that really boggles the mind.  Bagram AF Base should have been the last out.  The captain bailed before the ship sunk.  Is Mel Brooks our Commander-in-Chief now? 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

CCP's propaganda machine already at work.  "Afghan abandonment a lesson for Taiwan’s DPP: Global Times editorial".

 

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231636.shtml

[Unforgiven]

Man, lefties are miserable mofo's

[oldmanfan]

43 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

The "mission" was never to destroy the Taliban.

And when the Taliban was at their lowest, they fled to Pakistan.  Did you want to invade Pakistan?

 

If they are harboring those that want to destroy us, and using diplomatic approaches to have them get rid of them, yes.  Again, the way to get rid of evil is to get rid of evil.

31 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Have you not been paying attention?  Obviously we can't.  

 

Is the Taliban truly OUR enemy? 

Absolutely.  Watch, in a year or so we will have to back in again because they’ll allow terrorists a safe haven to kill us.

[snafu]

35 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

If they are harboring those that want to destroy us, and using diplomatic approaches to have them get rid of them, yes.  Again, the way to get rid of evil is to get rid of evil.

Absolutely.  Watch, in a year or so we will have to back in again because they’ll allow terrorists a safe haven to kill us.

China wants to destroy us. 
When do we go in?

 

[Governor]

Plot twist.

 

WOKE Taliban wants female leaders.