Afghanistan

[B-Man]

 

 

                                          

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

Just in case you were wondering...

 

[sherpa]

This was never going to end well.

The original purpose of our involvement, which was to get a state sponsored terrorist out of a country, was important and well intentioned.

Once that was done, we should have left them to their own.

We tried to help them build a sustainable culture.

 

The place is not a real country.

Never has been.

 

Nonetheless, the "withdrawal"  was an unmitigated embarrassment and disgrace, and should have resulted in the  removal of those responsible and those who lied about other options.

Biden lying about not being presented with options by SecDef and Chaiirman Joint Chiefs, about keeping a minimal force and Bagram Air Base under US control until a reasonable withdrawal is inexcusable. 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Biden caused the Afghanistan tragedy -- now he's shifting the blame

A.J. KAUFMAN 

 

Biden ruined much of what our military accomplished during two decades of sacrifice in Afghanistan. The Taliban’s enormous strategic victory — with more than $7 billion worth of U.S. weapons, ammunition, aircraft, materiel, and vehicles — was given to them on a silver platter. Millions of civilians have plunged into destitution thanks to Biden’s rogue move. Many Afghans, who risked their lives to assist us, were left behind to face the wrath of the Taliban.

 

The tumult that accompanied the haphazard retreat, with visions similar to Saigon’s fall, conveyed a message of American weakness that Vladimir Putin undoubtedly used as a red carpet to invade Ukraine a few months later. …

 

As the current administration inexplicably touts the pullout as a success, it attempts to pass the buck for what went awry to others, including intelligence and military leaders, Congress, the Afghan people, and especially former President Donald Trump. The only person absolved from culpability is Biden, depicted as some figure of great resolve, failed by his national security apparatus.

 

https://lidblog.com/afghanistan-surrender-was-a-tragedy-biden-caused-now-hes-blaming-others/

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Afghanistan whitewash even worse than you think. No, really. It is. 

 

“For more than two decades there has been a SIGAR (Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction) tasked with trying to ferret out all the corruption.

 

Needless to say their reports have been largely ignored, but they have been tracking things as they happened.

 

Well, the Biden Administration has shut down all the information flow to SIGAR, and the Inspector General is pissed.”

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/04/20/afghanistan-whitewash-even-worse-than-you-think-no-really-it-is-n544910

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

UNEXPECTEDLY: Shock revelation: Afghanistan is back as terrorist central! 

 

“To be honest, it’s not even news that this happened. Everybody with half a brain knew that it was going to happen, so while the details are indeed important and worth diving into, the real news is that the Washington Post is reporting on an obvious failure of the Biden Administration.”

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/04/23/shock-revelation-afghanistan-is-back-as-terrorist-central-n545685

 

 

As Glenn wrote on Saturday about the New York Times doing some actual reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop story: “I mean, the other possibility is a sudden appearance of journalistic integrity, but the way to bet is that the establishment wants an excuse to ease Biden out and replace him.”

 

 

 

[ALF]

For the then Afghan army to have any chance the US would have to keep air and logistic support there permanently with special forces . The US should have gone after Bin Laden 3 months max and never gone into Iraq .

[sherpa]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

For the then Afghan army to have any chance the US would have to keep air and logistic support there permanently with special forces . The US should have gone after Bin Laden 3 months max and never gone into Iraq .

 

Not smart to put a timeline on how long to go after someone.

 

Regarding Iraq, the US was going to stop committing to and supporting an endless no fly zone, so something had to happen.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Thanks Joe.

 

 

[LeviF]

This day in CIA propaganda:

 

https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/06/talibans-successful-opium-ban-bad-afghans-and-world

 

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The Taliban have done it again: implementing a nearly complete ban against cultivation of opium poppy — Afghanistan’s most important agricultural product — repeating their similarly successful 2000-2001 prohibition on the crop.

 

In case your tin foil hat hasn't been talking much lately.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Damning New Report on Afghanistan Withdrawal Rips Biden Admin; Biden  Still Claims 'I Was Right'

 

 

 

There’s a new report out Friday from the State Department’s after-action review of the horrible withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021.

 

The report excoriates the way the withdrawal was handled, noting that the Biden team did not sufficiently plan or prepare for “worst case scenarios.”

 

Incredibly, it said it was “unclear” who was in charge at the State Department. They also made the bad mistake of giving up the Bagram airfield to the Afghans, which would have been much easier to defend to get people out, so they were forced to use the Hamid Karzai Airport.

 

Naturally, because the report was bad, it was dropped on a Friday right before a holiday weekend—so that they can try to avoid more press on the issue. Only about half of it was released, with the other part staying classified. While it called out the administration, it was careful not to blame any particular individual despite Sec. of State Antony Blinken being in charge of that leader-challenged State Department.

 

After the report was released, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby tried to defend the administration with the same poor response that they’ve used for two years: that the “decision to end the war was the right one.” No one was talking about the decision to end the war, but about the horrible way in which Joe Biden and his officials tried to carry it out.

 

Joe Biden’s response was even worse than Kirby’s.

 

Washington Bureau Chief for GloboNews, Raquel Krähenbühl asked Biden about the damning report:

 

“Do you admit failure in Afghanistan? There was a report…saying there was failure, mistakes. Do you admit there was mistakes during the withdrawal and before?”

 

His response was one for the books — even with all the evidence, even with how much he failed, and the release of the new report, he’s still trying to insist he was right in how he did things and refusing all criticism. The level of arrogance was astonishing.

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/06/30/damning-new-report-on-afghanistan-withdrawal-rips-biden-admin-his-response-is-one-for-the-books-n769878

[T&C]

28 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Damning New Report on Afghanistan Withdrawal Rips Biden Admin; Biden  Still Claims 'I Was Right'

 

 

 

There’s a new report out Friday from the State Department’s after-action review of the horrible withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021.

 

The report excoriates the way the withdrawal was handled, noting that the Biden team did not sufficiently plan or prepare for “worst case scenarios.”

 

Incredibly, it said it was “unclear” who was in charge at the State Department. They also made the bad mistake of giving up the Bagram airfield to the Afghans, which would have been much easier to defend to get people out, so they were forced to use the Hamid Karzai Airport.

 

Naturally, because the report was bad, it was dropped on a Friday right before a holiday weekend—so that they can try to avoid more press on the issue. Only about half of it was released, with the other part staying classified. While it called out the administration, it was careful not to blame any particular individual despite Sec. of State Antony Blinken being in charge of that leader-challenged State Department.

 

After the report was released, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby tried to defend the administration with the same poor response that they’ve used for two years: that the “decision to end the war was the right one.” No one was talking about the decision to end the war, but about the horrible way in which Joe Biden and his officials tried to carry it out.

 

Joe Biden’s response was even worse than Kirby’s.

 

Washington Bureau Chief for GloboNews, Raquel Krähenbühl asked Biden about the damning report:

 

“Do you admit failure in Afghanistan? There was a report…saying there was failure, mistakes. Do you admit there was mistakes during the withdrawal and before?”

 

His response was one for the books — even with all the evidence, even with how much he failed, and the release of the new report, he’s still trying to insist he was right in how he did things and refusing all criticism. The level of arrogance was astonishing.

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/06/30/damning-new-report-on-afghanistan-withdrawal-rips-biden-admin-his-response-is-one-for-the-books-n769878

Got to wonder how he can sleep at night... oh wait. 

[John from Riverside]

On 4/20/2023 at 6:34 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

Biden caused the Afghanistan tragedy -- now he's shifting the blame

A.J. KAUFMAN 

 

Biden ruined much of what our military accomplished during two decades of sacrifice in Afghanistan. The Taliban’s enormous strategic victory — with more than $7 billion worth of U.S. weapons, ammunition, aircraft, materiel, and vehicles — was given to them on a silver platter. Millions of civilians have plunged into destitution thanks to Biden’s rogue move. Many Afghans, who risked their lives to assist us, were left behind to face the wrath of the Taliban.

 

The tumult that accompanied the haphazard retreat, with visions similar to Saigon’s fall, conveyed a message of American weakness that Vladimir Putin undoubtedly used as a red carpet to invade Ukraine a few months later. …

 

As the current administration inexplicably touts the pullout as a success, it attempts to pass the buck for what went awry to others, including intelligence and military leaders, Congress, the Afghan people, and especially former President Donald Trump. The only person absolved from culpability is Biden, depicted as some figure of great resolve, failed by his national security apparatus.

 

https://lidblog.com/afghanistan-surrender-was-a-tragedy-biden-caused-now-hes-blaming-others/

 

 

Biden did not cause this
The fault lies with military intelligence that gave him the idea that the Afghan military that was supposed to insert as the US military exited was not going to fall apart in a day

 

That was a failure of our intelligence. They got that one wrong. It happens and soldiers died because of it.

 

That doesn’t make Biden wrong. He was fulfilling a campaign promise to get our military out of the country.

Edited July 1, 2023 by John from Riverside

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Biden did not cause this
The fault lies with military intelligence that gave him the idea that the Afghan military that was supposed to insert as the US military exited was not going to fall apart in a day

 

That was a failure of our intelligence. They got that one wrong. It happens and soldiers died because of it.

 

That doesn’t make Biden wrong. He was fulfilling a campaign promise to get our military out of the country.

 

 

 

 

 

You reacted to the April post, did you see what President Biden said just yesterday. . . . . . . . . . . . "I WAS RIGHT',  not the military.

 

 

 

 

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Edited July 1, 2023 by B-Man

[John from Riverside]

25 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

You reacted to the April post, did you see what President Biden said just yesterday. . . . . . . . . . . . "I WAS RIGHT',  not the military.

 

 

 

 

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He was right for pulling out of Afghanistan
Some thing that Trump failed to do in his campaign promise

[Doc]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Biden did not cause this
The fault lies with military intelligence that gave him the idea that the Afghan military that was supposed to insert as the US military exited was not going to fall apart in a day

 

That was a failure of our intelligence. They got that one wrong. It happens and soldiers died because of it.

 

That doesn’t make Biden wrong. He was fulfilling a campaign promise to get our military out of the country.

 

So then the pandemic wasn't Trump's fault?

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

You reacted to the April post, did you see what President Biden said just yesterday. . . . . . . . . . . . "I WAS RIGHT',  not the military.

 

 

 

 

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It’s pretty simple because Biden doesn’t throw people under the bus unlike Trump. You will never hear Biden blame his military.
 

Have you ever heard Trump take blame for anything is done bro I don’t think I’ve ever seen it

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So then the pandemic wasn't Trump's fault?

I have said for a long time now that the pandemic was not trumps fault I never blamed him for that. This was a world thing not a United States thing.
 

Did he say some things that were moronically? Stupid yes, but the pandemic was not Trump’s fault.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

With all that’s happened, much of it negative, during the Biden administration, it’s easy to forget just how bad the withdrawal from Afghanistan was. With time, things fade, but the disaster that unfolded remains one of the lowest points in American history. That it was completely preventable, caused by one arrogant, egotistical man only makes the situation more tragic.

 

As American troops oversaw the emergency evacuation of remaining US personnel, which was only necessary because of the total collapse of the Afghan military, suicide bombers targeted one of the entry gates to Kabul’s main airport. The results were horrific, with hundreds dying, including 13 American service members.

 

According to a new report, sourced by US Army veteran and current Rep. Cory Mills, Gee’s family was forced to pay $60,000 to transport her body to Arlington National Cemetery after ceremonies were held in her hometown of Roseville, CA.

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/07/25/outrage-ensues-after-family-of-marine-killed-in-afghanistan-withdrawal-forced-to-pay-to-transport-her-body-n782063

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/family-forced-pay-ship-body-marine-killed-after-pentagon-policy-change-egregious-injustice

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-admin-forces-family-of-soldier-killed-in-afghanistan-withdrawal-to-pay-60000-to-transport-fallen-soldiers-body-to-arlington-national-cemetary?utm_campaign=64483

 

 

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