Training Camp practice and Media Sessions 8/5

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The Athletic recap on today's camp was just posted.

 

 

Based on the above, I may have to revise my prediction that Kumerow will take snaps away from Davis. I hadn't seen anyone else mention that in team drills Kumerow wasn't on the 1st team offense. I'm glad to hear Davis took advantage of Sanders's absence. Having 2 legitimate #2 outside WRs would be great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting these! I have a sub to the athletic but saves me a lot of time 

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The Bills put in a good deal of work on Anderson in the draft process.    Sometimes the late picks are about interviews and access/exposure to the player.    I always like to see them go with the high upside guys late........Smith over Doyle or Anderson would have been a popular choice with me...........but sometimes drafting like that is also how you end up with Cardale Jones and Kolby Listenbee.    

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The Athletic recap on today's camp was just posted.

 

Based on the above, I may have to revise my prediction that Kumerow will take snaps away from Davis. I hadn't seen anyone else mention that in team drills Kumerow wasn't on the 1st team offense. I'm glad to hear Davis took advantage of Sanders's absence. Having 2 legitimate #2 outside WRs would be great.

 

My understanding is that the reporters aren't allowed to say who is taking snaps with the 1s, the 2s, etc.

 

Pretty sure some of the Cover1 guys tweeting coverage of Saturday's practice said Kumerow got time with the 1's in 11-on-11 Saturday - but Hey, weren't you there to see?

 

The other thing that's been impressing is that he's made catches in 1-on-1 against our best corner

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Pretty sure some of the Cover1 guys tweeting coverage of Saturday's practice said Kumerow got time with the 1's in 11-on-11 Saturday - but Hey, weren't you there to see?

 

Yes he did get time in team drills with the 1s on Saturday, but that was with Diggs and Sanders both out. Today with just Sanders out it was Davis getting those reps. So as of right now the top 4 outside WRs in order appear to be Diggs, Sanders, Davis, Kumerow. But it's also just one practice. Maybe if Kumerow keeps showing out he'll get a chance to show what he can do next to Diggs.

[Patrick Duffy]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The Athletic recap on today's camp was just posted.

 

 

Based on the above, I may have to revise my prediction that Kumerow will take snaps away from Davis. I hadn't seen anyone else mention that in team drills Kumerow wasn't on the 1st team offense. I'm glad to hear Davis took advantage of Sanders's absence. Having 2 legitimate #2 outside WRs would be great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. Notice the first  sentence mentions Kumerow again with another good showing and also Davis (for the ones that have been worried about him). Maybe some will feel a little better now hopefully lol

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Thanks. Notice the first  sentence mentions Kumerow again with another good showing and also Davis (for the ones that have been worried about him). Maybe some will feel a little better now hopefully lol

 

Actually one of the things that struck me is that he mentioned Davis dropping a TD pass that he should have had: "Davis did miss one target in the end zone, as Allen feathered a throw over cornerback Levi Wallace and hit Davis in the hands before it dropped to the ground."

 

Somehow news of a dropped TD by Davis doesn't seem to heat the tar and break out the pitchforks in many of us (me included!) the way news of a Knox drop does.

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When players aren't in competition they often get into their own heads and struggle with things like this.

 

The Bills haven't provided Knox with a lot of competition since he's been there..........he's always been the only TE with all the physical traits you want.

 

Davis also has some struggles with dropping easy ones to some extent.    Hopefully the heat from Kumerow will get him focused on competing against someone rather than battling his hands.

 

 

The pool of players was shallow overall.........but not for WR.........very deep draft at WR.    There have been plenty of years when a guy like Stevenson goes 3rd or 4th round.    Ask Buddy Nix about TJ Graham.   Not nearly the prospect Stevenson was........but sometimes there have been WR droughts that last for several draft classes.   2015-2017 was like that most recently.

not sure the bolded has any basis in objective analysis - sorry, but this reads like a casual opinion. I don't see any correlation between a perceived "lack of competition" and the occasional easy drop. If this were actually the case, does this lack of competition explain Knox's ability to make the insanely spectacular catch?

 

Knox may have a concentration issue when the catch appears too easy, as if he has too much time to think about it. That seems to be the popular theme.

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Maybe if Kumerow keeps showing out he'll get a chance to show what he can do next to Diggs

I think Sanders stays there. As far as "If Kumerow keeps making noise" goes.....I believe that's a good possibility, he has been pretty much every single day so far I believe. He's been doing it since the 1st day basically lol. Glad to see it.

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Actually one of the things that struck me is that he mentioned Davis dropping a TD pass that he should have had: "Davis did miss one target in the end zone, as Allen feathered a throw over cornerback Levi Wallace and hit Davis in the hands before it dropped to the ground."

 

Somehow news of a dropped TD by Davis doesn't seem to heat the tar and break out the pitchforks in many of us (me included!) the way news of a Knox drop does.

Ok, I honestly didn't read much after the 1st line of Kumerow and Davis steps up lol. I agree though, I have seen a few comments here and there where seemed there was concern about him, but yeah, Knox drops are far more frustrating

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I got flamed not long ago for suggesting that they would keep Johnson for his ST play.

Not from me.

 

Daryl Johnson has proven that he's a good special teamer. That will be a big consideration when it comes to cut down time.

 

That and McBeane give the players they drafted a lot of chances to make the team.

[stevewin]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

These races always make me immediately think one thing - hamstring 

 

I was thinking the other day too - would it hurt to put Diggs in a permanent red jersey?

[Shaw66]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Actually one of the things that struck me is that he mentioned Davis dropping a TD pass that he should have had: "Davis did miss one target in the end zone, as Allen feathered a throw over cornerback Levi Wallace and hit Davis in the hands before it dropped to the ground."

 

Somehow news of a dropped TD by Davis doesn't seem to heat the tar and break out the pitchforks in many of us (me included!) the way news of a Knox drop does.

Davis doesn't have a history of dropping passes.  He was solid in college, and he was solid as soon as he hit the Bills.  For him, a drop is just something that happens. That's why it's reported differently. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I think Sanders stays there. As far as "If Kumerow keeps making noise" goes.....I believe that's a good possibility, he has been pretty much every single day so far I believe. He's been doing it since the 1st day basically lol. Glad to see it.

 

I think the question was if Sanders is out?

 

16 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Ok, I honestly didn't read much after the 1st line of Kumerow and Davis steps up lol. I agree though, I have seen a few comments here and there where seemed there was concern about him, but yeah, Knox drops are far more frustrating

 

Many of us, myself included, are more frustrated with them but my point is: are we just biased by our perception, where in reality either he's not making an unusual number now OR other players also have concerning drops?

[Buffalo Boy]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Actually one of the things that struck me is that he mentioned Davis dropping a TD pass that he should have had: "Davis did miss one target in the end zone, as Allen feathered a throw over cornerback Levi Wallace and hit Davis in the hands before it dropped to the ground."

 

Somehow news of a dropped TD by Davis doesn't seem to heat the tar and break out the pitchforks in many of us (me included!) the way news of a Knox drop does.

Because of some of the GREAT catches Davis made last year and him not having a record of terrible drops of  easy catches.

[Brand J]

Knox is an enigma. He’ll have a catch and run where he steamrolls 2 defenders and then follow that up with a catch and run that ends in a fumble. He’ll make a spectacular catch to keep the offense moving and then follow that up with a drop on a routine pass in the EZ. It’s either boom or bust with that guy, always has been. Personally I’d rather have the solid tight end who rarely makes a mistake over the spectacular tight end who often has a penchant for negative plays.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I think the question was if Sanders is out?

ok  got ya, didn't know that...

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Many of us, myself included, are more frustrated with them but my point is: are we just biased by our perception, where in reality either he's not making an unusual number now OR other players also have concerning drops?

 

Not sure, but I think in regards to Knox there has been a little too many drops and some are more frustrated maybe? 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

not sure the bolded has any basis in objective analysis - sorry, but this reads like a casual opinion. I don't see any correlation between a perceived "lack of competition" and the occasional easy drop. If this were actually the case, does this lack of competition explain Knox's ability to make the insanely spectacular catch?

 

Knox may have a concentration issue when the catch appears too easy, as if he has too much time to think about it. That seems to be the popular theme.

 

Yeah, IMO it does.

 

It indicates that the drops aren't a physical problem..........the more time he has to think about it,  the less efficient he is catching an easier ball.

 

He's thinking too much.........competition takes a player out of his own head and serves to create productive stress in competitive people.

 

This isn't something you need to have been a pro athlete to understand........it applies to occupations of all kinds.........and most anyone who has played a lot of organized sports has experienced the value of one's frame of mind on performance.

 

If you are so dubious about this concept,  I gotta' ask..........why do you think coaches love competition in camp?    Not a believer in the steel sharpens steel way of thinking?

 

[NewEra]

Hard to tell if Efe Obada is the real deal of if the OLmen he faces are just that bad.  We know Bobby Lashless stinks.  I haven’t heard about any good reps Spencer Nrown has taken, only him getting beaten on the reg. Same with Douglass.  The last time we saw Ike, he was getting demolished in the AFCCG along with Jon.  Let’s hope Obada is just an animal and will dominate every lineman in his way

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah, IMO it does.

 

It indicates that the drops aren't a physical problem..........the more time he has to think about it,  the less efficient he is catching an easier ball.

 

He's thinking too much.........competition takes a player out of his own head and serves to create productive stress in competitive people.

 

This isn't something you need to have been a pro athlete to understand........it applies to occupations of all kinds.........and most anyone who has played a lot of organized sports has experienced the value of one's frame of mind on performance.

 

If you are so dubious about this concept,  I gotta' ask..........why do you think coaches love competition in camp?    Not a believer in the steel sharpens steel way of thinking?

 

Sounds to me like we should just go 5 wide and cut all of the TE’s. None of them are “good” blockers.  None are better than our 7th WR at running routes and catching the ball.   I was hoping that we’d add a competent TE to start and settle knox in as #2, but I’m starting to feel like we really failed at addressing the TE position.  Hollister has some work to do in order to change my mind on the situation.  If knox and hollister were good blockers and could have a positive impact on our run game, this would be a different story, but both have been liabilities as run blockers to this point in their careers.  

[billybrew1]

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Admittedly, I have not been a McKenzie fan, but it's certainly sounding like he's the guy.  

 

I am a big Roberts fan.  More so than almost any other position, punt returning is an instinct skill, instinct and quickness.  Roberts has the instinct; I don't see it in McKenzie.  George Saimes had the instinct.  Roscoe Parish did.  Hyde has the instinct but not the high-end quickness or speed McKenzie has.  McKenzie is fast, he can change direction, but he doesn't seem to anticipate the openings the way Roberts did.   And I don't buy the criticism of Roberts making bad judgments on kickoffs.  Roberts very clearly did what he was told to do - NOBODY plays for McDermott who doesn't do what he's coached.  So when Roberts brought the ball out of the end zone, he did because he was told he could do it if he saw certain things.  When he saw those things, he went.  If he misread something, it showed up in the film and they coached him.   He wasn't a loose cannon back there.  

 

But having said all that, my worst-case view of McKenzie returning kicks is that he's serviceable.  He was a better receiver last season than in previous years, and it sounds like he's still learning in both roles.   

I don't think it matters if McD told him or not, he made a poor play about six times last season (that he came out of the endzone and ended up at around the ten. Way too often, imho....

 

McKenzies problem was fumbling and I think he has cleared that up by gaining a ton of confidence. How could anyone not be a McKenzie fan? How many TDs was he directly involved in? In how many touches? I think he had 8 or 9 TDs on the year counting his TD return and his passing TD (a beautiful throw.) Anyway, I'm a huge fan and can't Billieve nobody offered him more to leave Buffalo. That was a mistake and he is going to make them pay as WR#5 and either the KO or PR guy (maybe both? I think he is too small for both but what do I know?) 

What a Daboll Darling though.....He is a DD....and a lock for the roster.

I wish Stevenson was ready so we would have more speed on teams and the offense. But he clearly is not, he'll be redshirted on the IR, watch....

 

The Hodgins vs. Kumerow battle I think is real even though Kumerow is 29 the Bills want talent in that position for this year.

Can Kumerow return kicks? Daboll is going to use the #6 WR at times as he wants to keep the miles as low as he can on his stars. Sorry Mr. Diggs, If Daboll has it his way you're getting less attempts this year.

(I think Beasley's touches go down as well. Sanders is going to take a big chunk plus it is better to save Beasley for the big games (as one guy simply cannot watch him from the slot.) and no one can watch Diggs one on one either (unless the refs let the CBS hold). Sanders is also a very tough assignment. Our four-wide is going to be soooo deadly....Mwa-ha-ha-ha!

Bet on the Bills, gents! JA all the way! (Notice: all bets are off vs. KC who not only are a tremendous team but currently hold a stigma over our Bills). Are we ready to destroy that?! That's a tough task. KC has it all....The triplets, a run game and a good D, even very solid STs....Are we ready for all that?

IDK?

 

Go Bills!

[BuffaninSarasota]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah, IMO it does.

 

It indicates that the drops aren't a physical problem..........the more time he has to think about it,  the less efficient he is catching an easier ball.

 

He's thinking too much.........competition takes a player out of his own head and serves to create productive stress in competitive people.

 

This isn't something you need to have been a pro athlete to understand........it applies to occupations of all kinds.........and most anyone who has played a lot of organized sports has experienced the value of one's frame of mind on performance.

 

If you are so dubious about this concept,  I gotta' ask..........why do you think coaches love competition in camp?    Not a believer in the steel sharpens steel way of thinking?

 

 

we obviously have a difference of opinion - how then does Knox make the occasional knuckle-headed play during an actual game? do NFL games serve as another example of a lack of competition? c'mon now

 

you originally cited a lack of competition at the TE position - now you're making a blanket statement about sports psychology/productive stress and one's "frame of mind" - ??

 

Agreed, competition is a great thing across multiple fields. I just think Knox is wired a bit differently and has a unique fault which crops up occasionally. I think this is HIS issue and not due to a competitive factor. Just my opinion. None of us has access to his particular headspace.

Edited August 5, 2021 by BuffaninSarasota
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