Why not keep Kumerow

[Don Otreply]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I know in the past Beane has been unwilling to expose his own rookie draft picks to waivers. But we have to remember the team had substantially less talent when he first took over. It was harder to make the Bills in 2020 than it was to make them in 2019, and it is harder to make the Bills now than it was in 2020. If the team is built right there will eventually always be late round rookies that are no better than PS material, because the experienced depth is too difficult to beat out. So last year you had Dane Jackson placed on the PS. This year it would not be a surprise at all if Hodgins and Stevenson have trouble beating out more established players.

 

I will say I am slightly concerned with Stevenson being poached by another team, and I'm not usually the type to worry about waiver claims. Hodgins I am almost certain will make it to the PS. At this point he doesn't offer a team anything they couldn't pick up off the street and it isn't like he's been blowing up training camp. Stevenson on the other hand offers elite speed and I feel that the Bills need that element on their offense this year. I get that he isn't as a developed as a route runner as McKenzie or Kumerow, but neither one of those players have the ability to take the top off the defense like Stevenson can. I find myself hoping, not for the first time, that the Bills actually keep 7 WRs on the roster this year. But it's probably a very slim chance.

With the wear and tear that out top four receivers absorb over the regular season, it would be a good move imo, to have seven receivers on the active roaster, plus a couple on the PS, it would be bad to hit the post season again with our starting four wideouts all banged up agin and not have some reliable backups available, again jmo. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[skibum]

If Kumerow plays special teams well (I have no idea if he does, TBH), he would probably push Hodgins and/or Stevenson to the PS. You almost have to have one WR on the team that can do double-duty as a gunner and/or wingman to the return specialist. 

 

But he would also be a fantastic trade asset on the eve of the season. The Green Bay angle is certainly intriguing if it's real, but there would probably be other takers as well. 

[rayray808]

With a nickname like "Touchdown Jesus" how do we not keep him?

 

 

[bigK14094]

14 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Lol.  The guy is 29 years old and has 21 NFL receptions!  I'm sure he's a nice player whose reaching his peak, but we'd be nuts to keep him over Stevenson or Hodgins if they're showing any promise during camp.

HOw many special teams snaps though?!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

19 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Why not? Because you generally only keep 5-6 WR's at a time. I've seen us carry 7 once or twice, but it's not very common. Plus, this season everyone wants us to keep a 6th Defensive End and a 6th Cornerback as well. And you can't keep an extra guy at all these positions without severely hindering the 53 at depth in a number of places to make it happen. 

 

So long story short, which two players do you cut at WR when your roster looks like this?

 

Stefon Diggs

Cole Beasley

Emmanuel Sanders

Gabe Davis

Isaiah McKenzie

Marquez Stevenson (2021 Draft Pick)

Isaiah Hodgins (2020 Draft Pick)

Jake Kumerow

 

I'm a Kumerow fan. But we're so deep, it's really uphill sledding for him.

 

I will say of the three highlighted, think Kumerow would have the lowest chance of sneaking him onto the PS squad so that could factor into keeping him active.  Think Stevenson will be on the PS so likely will comedown to him or Hodgins unless they do keep 7. 

 

I suppose with very little upgrade at TE, can see them going the route of we're going to go 4 wide or even 5 wide more than 2 TE's so they keep 7.

 

But do agree something has to give someplace with the numbers.

 

If the final spot came down to Kumerow or the Obada, I'd vote for Obada as pass rush is a bigger need to improve on.!

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

Why is everyone assuming that Hodgins a lock to make this roster

 

I do not see him as a lock. I've actually been asking the same question the past few weeks. Specifically, why does everyone speak of him so glowingly while completely discounting Stevenson? They were both Draft Picks of the team, in the same round. And personally - for what this WR core is lacking - I value Stevenson's speed and return ability over what Hodgins provides. 

 

Ultimately, it comes down to 4 guys battling for two spots. Isaiah McKenzie, Marquez Stevenson, Isaiah Hodgins, and Jake Kumerow. I think McKenzie's versatility and repore with Allen speaks for itself. Then it's two draft picks and Kumerow. While I could see them giving up on one of the picks - I can't see them giving up both.

[RyanC883]

20 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Why not? Because you generally only keep 5-6 WR's at a time. I've seen us carry 7 once or twice, but it's not very common. Plus, this season everyone wants us to keep a 6th Defensive End and a 6th Cornerback as well. And you can't keep an extra guy at all these positions without severely hindering the 53 at depth in a number of places to make it happen. 

 

So long story short, which two players do you cut at WR when your roster looks like this?

 

Stefon Diggs

Cole Beasley

Emmanuel Sanders

Gabe Davis

Isaiah McKenzie

Marquez Stevenson (2021 Draft Pick)

Isaiah Hodgins (2020 Draft Pick)

Jake Kumerow

 

I'm a Kumerow fan. But we're so deep, it's really uphill sledding for him.

 

perhaps try to trade McKenzie?   Good problem to have though?  

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

With the wear and tear that out top four receivers absorb over the regular season, it would be a good move imo, to have seven receivers on the active roaster, plus a couple on the PS, it would be bad to hit the post season again with our starting four wideouts all banged up agin and not have some reliable backups available, again jmo. 
 

Go Bills!!!

 

Part of issue in playoffs was wear and tear on team especially on WRs.   

I agree if Bills have to keep more WRs than other teams which do not throw as much.

Allen is good at distributing the ball too but frankly the RBs we have are not as much as a threat as other teams and the TEs have not produced very much.

At least 6 slots in to be reserved for WRs and one of them needs to be able to perform on special teams.

 

[Mat68]

21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Why not? Because you generally only keep 5-6 WR's at a time. I've seen us carry 7 once or twice, but it's not very common. Plus, this season everyone wants us to keep a 6th Defensive End and a 6th Cornerback as well. And you can't keep an extra guy at all these positions without severely hindering the 53 at depth in a number of places to make it happen. 

 

So long story short, which two players do you cut at WR when your roster looks like this?

 

Stefon Diggs

Cole Beasley

Emmanuel Sanders

Gabe Davis

Isaiah McKenzie

Marquez Stevenson (2021 Draft Pick)

Isaiah Hodgins (2020 Draft Pick)

Jake Kumerow

 

I'm a Kumerow fan. But we're so deep, it's really uphill sledding for him.

Stevenson and Hodgins to PS imo.  Kumerow takes Jones places on teams.  When called upon can contribute on offense.  Hodgins and Stevenson are long shots.

[Rocky Landing]

Don’t sleep on Tanner Gentry, either. 

[billybrew1]

This is an hilarious post. But hopefully the Bills know exactly what to do at WR (& DL for that matter!)

Makes me want to watch a Bills game.... I just have to stay away from that AFC Championship Game.....

That game will bring you down right away.

The Bills have got to be better!

They have got to score a LOT of points in week five.

They have to come up with some legit stops on defense. Like a pass defensed as they go for either Kelce or Hill.

Maybe even an int. Maybe a sack and FF on Mahomes......

Then, we need to win that ST battle. 

We have to win!

 

Go Bills!

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Stevenson and Hodgins to PS imo.  Kumerow takes Jones places on teams.  When called upon can contribute on offense.  Hodgins and Stevenson are long shots.

 

You're talking about replacing a guy who is our top Special Teams player and one of the better gunners in the NFL with a guy who has barely taken snaps on Special Teams. What's your reasoning here? Do you think you can put just anybody back there to play Special Teams?

 

Taiwan Jones is not going anywhere. We're probably going to already have to cut one of our core Special Teamers in Daryl 'Bam Bam' Johnson from a pure numbers standpoint at Defensive End. If we weren't interested in having Taiwan back on Special Teams, we wouldn't have signed him to a new deal this offseason.

 

Also, Stevenson was our 5th pick in this Draft. I'd call our 7th and 8th selections longshots. But we're not cutting more than a 3rd of our Draft. Especially when Stevenson provides speed and return ability, something our core needed addressing this offseason.

Edited August 1, 2021 by BillsFanForever19

[JerseyBills]

On 7/31/2021 at 6:12 PM, dwight in philly said:

A very innocent inquiry , why not really look at Kumerow ? guy has looked good here and in Green Bay..  just a wondering. 

They are taking a serious look.. 

 

My question is - Is Hodgins safe on the practice squad in year 2? I forget the eligibility requirements.

I feel like he's going to be a very good WR and can replace Sanders next year as a long term option.

[benderbender]

Although he's wearing our laundry, I think there is still residual subconscious dislike for Jones from the Texans game. It gets mentioned every time he's talked about. If he had a resume of great plays with us, it would be easier to forget but his role on special teams doesn't get him any extra attention. Seems to me that most fans either don't know him, or dislike him. Why else would anyone talk about dropping him for a rarely used PS hero? 

[Dukestreetking]

37 minutes ago, benderbender said:

Although he's wearing our laundry, I think there is still residual subconscious dislike for Jones from the Texans game. It gets mentioned every time he's talked about. If he had a resume of great plays with us, it would be easier to forget but his role on special teams doesn't get him any extra attention. Seems to me that most fans either don't know him, or dislike him. Why else would anyone talk about dropping him for a rarely used PS hero? 

 

I wish there was an "interesting" reaction emoji, as I enjoy new/different takes, regardless if I agree or not...not sure where I stand on TJ but I hadn't thought of this before. 

 

H/t.

[BillsFanForever19]

42 minutes ago, benderbender said:

Although he's wearing our laundry, I think there is still residual subconscious dislike for Jones from the Texans game. It gets mentioned every time he's talked about. If he had a resume of great plays with us, it would be easier to forget but his role on special teams doesn't get him any extra attention. Seems to me that most fans either don't know him, or dislike him. Why else would anyone talk about dropping him for a rarely used PS hero? 

 

There could be something to that. But I think what it ultimately boils down to is a general disregard of the importance of Special Teams. Seems a portion of the fan base feels like roster spots being used for players who contribute almost exclusively on Special Teams like Taiwan Jones or Tyler Matakevitch - are a waste. That they'd sacrifice a really good Special Teams player for a guy who contributes more on Offense or Defense while also playing Special Teams, even if they aren't as good there. Or in Kumerow's case, a complete unknown on Special Teams. Because apparently anybody can do it and do it well 🙄

[Simon Says]

On 7/31/2021 at 7:37 PM, billybrew1 said:

I really think it is time Bills fans and McBeane start to consider carrying seven WRs. Don't ask me how. Especially with our weird and over-stacked DL it would be very hard. But I love that Kumerow is big and plays special teams. I bet he knows the O well as well. I have McKenzie as a lock and either the kick or punt returner (But not probably both....I think he would get injured doing that too much. Better to split the job between two WRs. Which brings me to Stevenson. He could be a good returner while he learns WR. I also love Hodgins as a WR. Because he is not only big, but long and athletic. A leaper. We need to start developing our own weapons and Kumerow, Stevenson And Hodgins are a good place to look. We also need to be deeper with weapons so we don't run out like we did last year. I think seven gives us the weapons we need. We are weak at TE, maybe carry just two? Have some on the PS to call up if needed. IDK?

I want 7 WRs and 11 DL. DL is such a mess. Do we keep Johnson who excels on STs? Obada seems too good to wave. Addison will cost us millions to wave. It's nuts.

Bottom line: The Bills need to be WAY better to beat the chefs in week five (and then again in Buffalo in January).

To do that we need more very good weapons on offense.

And much better defense all the way around.

(our STs faired rather well last winter, knock on wood.)

 

They won't keep 11 DL. And  your calculations  sound like 7,8 WR? And if the TE group is so WEAK why is that a reason to only keep 2? All the more reason to keep 3. I think your projections are off and would weaken other position groups . McKenzie might become the PR but the KR is likely a competition between Powell and Stevenson,unless perhaps Breida can do it. 

[Big Turk]

Why not keep all of them??

[Mat68]

4 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

This is an hilarious post. But hopefully the Bills know exactly what to do at WR (& DL for that matter!)

Makes me want to watch a Bills game.... I just have to stay away from that AFC Championship Game.....

That game will bring you down right away.

The Bills have got to be better!

They have got to score a LOT of points in week five.

They have to come up with some legit stops on defense. Like a pass defensed as they go for either Kelce or Hill.

Maybe even an int. Maybe a sack and FF on Mahomes......

Then, we need to win that ST battle. 

We have to win!

 

Go Bills!

We did.  They fumbled a punt and we scored a TD.  Teams wins you games in Sept, Oct, Nov.  It can lose you games in Dec and January.  Buffalo has too many core teamers that dont contribute on the other 3 downs.  Kumerow looks like a decent reciever but also good not elite on teams.  For Buffalo to get better they need guys with real potential on offense and defense play well enough on special teams to move on from the core special teamers.  By this I mean Twain Jones, Tyler Myklevic, and Darrel Johnson.

[jwhit34]

On 7/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, artmalibu said:

 

I bet if stevenson ***** good he gets the redshirt IR spot for the year.

 

 

I have seen this a few times now on various threads, are they inviting Jeff Gilooly to camp?