Sundancer Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: 8 month booster shot? Can someone explain that science? Maybe for the most at risk here, yes it is easy to explain. We should be shipping the vaccines all over the globe to get others vaccinated. If we want to save lives and prevent mutations, makes much more sense to give vaccines to places with worse health care and prevention options. Unfortunately, we're in a "me first" mindset and encouraging people with 90% efficacy (some show more, some less) from the vaccine to boost it to 95-98. Massive expense for little gain. Much more gain from shipping it out or shooting people like Chef Jim with blow guns as they go to the store.
Chef Jim Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Maybe for the most at risk here, yes it is easy to explain. We should be shipping the vaccines all over the globe to get others vaccinated. If we want to save lives and prevent mutations, makes much more sense to give vaccines to places with worse health care and prevention options. Unfortunately, we're in a "me first" mindset and encouraging people with 90% efficacy (some show more, some less) from the vaccine to boost it to 95-98. Massive expense for little gain. Much more gain from shipping it out or shooting people like Chef Jim with blow guns as they go to the store. Why would you want to shoot me? Prevent mutations. 😂
Governor Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Maybe for the most at risk here, yes it is easy to explain. We should be shipping the vaccines all over the globe to get others vaccinated. If we want to save lives and prevent mutations, makes much more sense to give vaccines to places with worse health care and prevention options. Unfortunately, we're in a "me first" mindset and encouraging people with 90% efficacy (some show more, some less) from the vaccine to boost it to 95-98. Massive expense for little gain. Much more gain from shipping it out or shooting people like Chef Jim with blow guns as they go to the store. So we’re still at 90 percent at the 8 month mark?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 19, 2021 Author Posted August 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: Maybe for the most at risk here, yes it is easy to explain. We should be shipping the vaccines all over the globe to get others vaccinated. If we want to save lives and prevent mutations, makes much more sense to give vaccines to places with worse health care and prevention options. Unfortunately, we're in a "me first" mindset and encouraging people with 90% efficacy (some show more, some less) from the vaccine to boost it to 95-98. Massive expense for little gain. Much more gain from shipping it out or shooting people like Chef Jim with blow guns as they go to the store. That’s what I thought. Boosters just sound like a new goalpost. Getting unvaccinated around the globe some statistically elevated protection makes a whole lot more sense. 1
Sundancer Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That’s what I thought. Boosters just sound like a new goalpost. Getting unvaccinated around the globe some statistically elevated protection makes a whole lot more sense. The best use of vaccine is vaccinate at risk people everywhere, then work your way down to the rest. That's a supply chain problem that can't be solved easily. So the next best use is to vaccinate the unvaccinated and perhaps boost the most high risk folk. Boosting non-at risk people gives you a negligible gain compared to vaccinating unvaccinated and at risk folk.
Sundancer Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Governor said: So we’re still at 90 percent at the 8 month mark? Moderna reports 93% through 6. Pfizer 84% through 8. I haven't seen J&J that I can recall. So pretty close to 90%. If you adjust for age, it's well over 90 for under 65. They are recommending boosters because Delta is circulating so effectively and winter is coming. Clearly the best use of the vaccine would be to shoot up unvaccinated and older. But if unvaccinated continue to want to get Covid, the vaccinated can use the doses to give themselves that extra 7-8% boost with menial risk of issues. Moderna and Pfizer are testing Delta specific mRNA vaccines now BTW. mRNA technology is incredible. And then there's this today: https://www.ft.com/content/49641651-e10a-45f6-a7cc-8b8c7b7a9710?shareType=nongift Edited August 19, 2021 by Sundancer
T master Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 12 hours ago, B-Man said: Seems to be a typical reaction to every blunder he has made since taking office he won't stand and face the music if there isn't a script written that he can read . But like a bunch of others when the camera's aren't on him he blames Trump go figure Grow some balls Joe !! 1
Doc Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, T master said: Seems to be a typical reaction to every blunder he has made since taking office he won't stand and face the music if there isn't a script written that he can read . But like a bunch of others when the camera's aren't on him he blames Trump go figure Grow some balls Joe !! No script and his handlers know he'd fly off the handle and look no better than Trump did so they told him to just slink away. But at least Trump stayed for questions. Edited August 19, 2021 by Doc
T master Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 13 hours ago, Governor said: https://www.popsci.com/feral-pig-problem/ Another typical answer when called out for your Pres. actions I'm not really surprised . 1 minute ago, Doc said: No script and his handlers know he'd fly off the handle and look no better than Trump did. But at least Trump stayed for questions. That's what happens when your nuts drop as a teen you man up and face the music and like a man try to give a competent answer but Joe is still waiting for his to drop not to mention he has trouble remembering where he S**T last ... 1
SoCal Deek Posted August 19, 2021 Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, T master said: Seems to be a typical reaction to every blunder he has made since taking office he won't stand and face the music if there isn't a script written that he can read . But like a bunch of others when the camera's aren't on him he blames Trump go figure Grow some balls Joe !! What did you expect? As a general rule Senators are not in the question answering business. They’re in the question ASKING business. So if you’d been a Senator for half a century and nobody ever asked you a difficult question you can imagine how flustered and perturbed you’d be. He’s a DISASTER! Edited August 19, 2021 by SoCal Deek 1
Irv Posted August 20, 2021 Posted August 20, 2021 Demented Biden has no idea where he is or what's going on, unless told. The he forgets in 4 seconds. He was always a dummy. Now the dementia is making it worse. Totaly botching the pandemic. Practically throwing gas on the anti-vax fire with his ineptitude. This clown was unfit to be President 10 years ago. Now with his mush brain we'd be better off with cumquat for a President. WAM.
T master Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/20/2021 at 7:10 AM, BillStime said: Meanwhile Good thing the former POTUS set up the vaccine fast track as soon as he did so Joe could reap the benefits because that's about the only positive thing he's got going for him to this point .
Doc Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, T master said: Good thing the former POTUS set up the vaccine fast track as soon as he did so Joe could reap the benefits because that's about the only positive thing he's got going for him to this point . Yeah but people are still getting infected and dying and Joey was elected to stop it. Again proving that Hilly/a Dem would have done no better than Trump did with the pandemic.
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, T master said: Good thing the former POTUS set up the vaccine fast track as soon as he did so Joe could reap the benefits because that's about the only positive thing he's got going for him to this point . You’re wasting your time here. @BillStime doesn’t even know how big pharma R&D works. That the nearly $1b the Trump Administration sent to Pfizer was a “reimbursement” for the $1b they spent out of pocket for the R&D. I think he cried when he realized Trump was responsible for paying for his shot. 😂 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah but people are still getting infected and dying and Joey was elected to stop it. Again proving that Hilly/a Dem would have done no better than Trump did with the pandemic. You know this is a very good point. This pretty much proves that there would still have been 600,000 Covid (🙄) deaths in 2020 even if Biden (or anyone else) was elected in 2016. Well maybe not 600,000. They may have not tallied things like being killed in a car wreck the day after testing positive as a “Covid death”. 🙄 1
T master Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah but people are still getting infected and dying and Joey was elected to stop it. Again proving that Hilly/a Dem would have done no better than Trump did with the pandemic. Yah but to get anyone that voted for Joe to admit his incompetents in any way alls you get is one word answers like "Sore losers" - "where's the Proof" at least those that voted the other way can admit when the person they voted for was doing stupid crap. As far as people still dying the cure had to start some where and although things are where they are the data will hopefully put the medical community in a spot to make advancements on finding something better to treat it . The quick decision to get a plan in place and move forward the way the previous POTUS did will never be hailed as something good even though the current POTUS is claiming any positive from the previous administrations quick decisions to get a plan in place which this POTUS has no fore thought in any decisions he's made . Where's the proof ? I say to those who can't see the forest for the trees Just open your eyes & look !! But again try to get anyone that voted for this man to actually look at what he has done with out the rose colored glasses reply and in any way give even the slightest acknowledgment that something good came from decisions made prior to Joe taking office will be impossible because stupid is as stupid does !! And even though a little bit of something is better than a hole lot of nothing which is pretty much what we have now a little progress has been made ! But i do agree with you hole heartedly !!
ALF Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You’re wasting your time here. @BillStime doesn’t even know how big pharma R&D works. That the nearly $1b the Trump Administration sent to Pfizer was a “reimbursement” for the $1b they spent out of pocket for the R&D. I think he cried when he realized Trump was responsible for paying for his shot. 😂 Fact-checking the battle for credit over Pfizer's vaccine announcement It's true that Pfizer, unlike some other pharmaceutical companies, did not accept federal money for research into a coronavirus vaccine. Pfizer, unlike these competitors, is not getting payments up front even before proving its effort has been successful. https://www.cbs58.com/news/fact-checking-the-battle-for-credit-over-pfizers-vaccine-announcement Unless you have a update for this story
oldmanfan Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 There is no question from an infection control perspective that the best way to attack the virus is to get as many people globally to be vaccinated. I’d rather see resources go to that right now.
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, ALF said: Fact-checking the battle for credit over Pfizer's vaccine announcement It's true that Pfizer, unlike some other pharmaceutical companies, did not accept federal money for research into a coronavirus vaccine. Pfizer, unlike these competitors, is not getting payments up front even before proving its effort has been successful. https://www.cbs58.com/news/fact-checking-the-battle-for-credit-over-pfizers-vaccine-announcement Unless you have a update for this story Ok time educate you too on how big pharma works. They are typically “out of pocket” for R&D. They recoup those costs by selling their drugs on the open market. That’s why some drugs are crazy expensive. The US paid nearly $2b (sorry had my numbers wrong) when they purchased the initial rounds of doses. So that money was used to “pay for” Pfizer’s R&D. You know, the R&D they “refused” to accept money from the US for. So for all intents and purposes we paid for their R&D.
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