Governor Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Triad? I think the word your looking for it triage and what you explained is not how triage works. Diseases? How about accidents, gun shots and stabbings. And yes belly aches from those without insurance. That’s exactly what it means. 1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors b: the sorting of patients (as in an emergency room) according to the urgency of their need for care 2: the assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or are most likely to achieve success 20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Triad? I think the word your looking for it triage and what you explained is not how triage works. Diseases? How about accidents, gun shots and stabbings. And yes belly aches from those without insurance. Gun shots, strokes, etc. will get priority over a sick unvaccinated Covid patient if there’s a shortage of beds. Being unvaccinated with Covid knocks you a few pegs down the priority list. My doctor told me that today. They’re still working out the specifics. Edited August 25, 2021 by Governor
Big Blitz Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 Pfizer CEO says he’s planning for vaccine-resistant Covid strain, is confident company can react within months Pfizer's CEO Albert Bourla said the company believes that it could be ready to counter a vaccine-resistant variant of Covid-19 within three months, should one arise. The CEO made the statement on Tuesday during a Fox News segment. “Every time that the variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it,” Mr Bourla said during the segment. “They are researching to see if this variant can escape the protection of our vaccine. We haven’t identified any yet but we believe that it is likely that one day, one of them will emerge.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pfizer-ceo-vaccine-resitant-strain-b1908134.html
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Governor said: That’s exactly what it means. 1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors b: the sorting of patients (as in an emergency room) according to the urgency of their need for care 2: the assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or are most likely to achieve success Gun shots, strokes, etc. will get priority over a sick unvaccinated Covid patient if there’s a shortage of beds. Being unvaccinated with Covid knocks you a few pegs down the priority list. My doctor told me that today. They’re still working out the specifics. And that does NOT automatically put the unvaccinated at the end of the line. That’s just your fantasy. Putz.
Backintheday544 Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And that does NOT automatically put the unvaccinated at the end of the line. That’s just your fantasy. Putz. Triage is common in ERs. If a person wants to go unvaxxed they made a choice they should live with consequences that they would be lower priority in the health care system them people who are vaxxed. Freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequences. 1
Governor Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And that does NOT automatically put the unvaccinated at the end of the line. That’s just your fantasy. Putz. It’s about to. Some argue that unvaccinated Covid patients should get the highest priority since they’re likely to die, but I guess doctors and administrators have had enough and are coming down the other way on it. It might not be every hospital, but it will probably become the norm here soon. When there’s only 2 beds, it obviously isn’t fair to give it to unvaccinated idiots if others need them.
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Governor said: It’s about to. Some argue that unvaccinated Covid patients should get the highest priority since they’re likely to die, but I guess doctors and administrators have had enough and are coming down the other way on it. It might not be every hospital, but it will probably become the norm here soon. When there’s only 2 beds, it obviously isn’t fair to give it to unvaccinated idiots if others need them. Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. 1 1 1
Big Blitz Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, oldmanfan said: The folks you quoted are correct that as viruses mutate more they become less harmful and spread less. That does not appear to have happened with the delta variant, let’s hope that changes. That's wrong. I cited The UK as why. The "Delta wave" has been their longest with cases as high as December/January per day only its been over 2 months now. Deaths should be equivalent to January/February UK right? Nope. Not even close. Delta is a severe flu its Covid lite. Edited August 25, 2021 by Big Blitz
Backintheday544 Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. Why? If a doctor tells you hey don’t stick you fingers in an outlet and you do, why should they prioritize you over someone who just randomly got hurt. Edited August 25, 2021 by Backintheday544
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Triage is common in ERs. If a person wants to go unvaxxed they made a choice they should live with consequences that they would be lower priority in the health care system them people who are vaxxed. Freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequences. Of course it’s common in ER. Again a Doctor that denies care based on vaccination status should be stripped of their ability to practice medicine. EMT: we have a severe head wound. Vitals are weak ER Triage: car accident? EMT: yes. ER Triage: we’re they wearing a seatbelt? EMT: no ER Triage: end of the line!! 🙄 2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Why? Compassion. You may have heard of it. 1
Doc Brown Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. If there were two ICU beds left and three patients. Two vaccinated. One not. Do you give preference to the vaccinated or sort by age?
Backintheday544 Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Of course it’s common in ER. Again a Doctor that denies care based on vaccination status should be stripped of their ability to practice medicine. EMT: we have a severe head wound. Vitals are weak ER Triage: car accident? EMT: yes. ER Triage: we’re they wearing a seatbelt? EMT: no ER Triage: end of the line!! 🙄 thats not an example of triage.
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, Doc Brown said: If there were two ICU beds left and three patients. Two vaccinated. One not. Do you give preference to the vaccinated or sort by age? Not enough information. Just now, Backintheday544 said: thats not an example of triage. It’s an example of lack of compassion.
Governor Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Any doctor that denies care for someone based on their vaccination status should be stripped of the ability to practice medicine. They’ll probably just give them a script for ivermectin and send them on their way. Theres plenty of cures out there. No reason why they should be at the hospital.
Doc Brown Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: Not enough information. All three had same symptoms and caught it at the same time. All three have type 2 diabetes. The unvaccinated person is 60 and the two vaccinated people are 87. All females.
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Governor said: They’ll probably just give them a script for ivermectin and send them on their way. Theres plenty of cures out there. No reason why they should be at the hospital. No reason? You can bow out of this conversation now.
Backintheday544 Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Not enough information. It’s an example of lack of compassion. its not. You have a set amount of time you can devote to people. Time is a constant that you can’t expand. Triage is about using time as efficiently as possible. If you have 2 Covid cases where both could die, you take the person who is vaxxed over unvaxxed because it’s a better use of time. Choices have consequences.
Governor Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: No reason? You can bow out of this conversation now. Ok. I made that part up but the rest was what I was told today.
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, Doc Brown said: All three had same symptoms and caught it at the same time. All three have type 2 diabetes. The unvaccinated person is 60 and the two vaccinated people are 87. All females. The unvaccinated person first. They are the one in most danger.
Backintheday544 Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Of course it’s common in ER. Again a Doctor that denies care based on vaccination status should be stripped of their ability to practice medicine. EMT: we have a severe head wound. Vitals are weak ER Triage: car accident? EMT: yes. ER Triage: we’re they wearing a seatbelt? EMT: no ER Triage: end of the line!! 🙄 Compassion. You may have heard of it. F them. They used their freedom of choice to make a dumb choice.
Chef Jim Posted August 25, 2021 Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: its not. You have a set amount of time you can devote to people. Time is a constant that you can’t expand. Triage is about using time as efficiently as possible. If you have 2 Covid cases where both could die, you take the person who is vaxxed over unvaxxed because it’s a better use of time. Choices have consequences. Why is a vaxxed person a better use of time? 1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said: F them. They used their freedom of choice to make a dumb choice. ***** them? I hope you don’t work in healthcare.
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